Karma One: What is you background and education? Why
did you interest yourself with the subject of AB's and
Paul Von Ward: I have a multifaceted background
in terms of both education and professional experience. Such diversity
led me to assume the role of interdisciplinary cosmologist where I
attempt to integrate knowledge from all fields of study.
Florida State University awarded me a B.A. (Phi Beta Kappa) in
social sciences and an M.S. in psychology and education. My MPA degree
in politics and psychology came from Harvard University. I also pursued
post-graduate study at American University, the University of Southern
California, the U.S. Foreign Service Institute, and the Ecole
Superieure d'Administration Internationale in Paris.
professional life started as a Protestant minister and psychologist. I
then served as a U.S. naval reserve officer during the Vietnam War. My
later 15 years as U.S. diplomat took me to posts in Paris, Martinique,
Sierra Leone, Dominican Republic, NATO, and Washington, DC.
founder and CEO, I led a nonprofit international organization with
projects that involved 100 countries. During this long career, I also
conducted historical, cross-cultural, and anomalous phenomena research.
I have been an independent scholar for the last decade.
concept of Advanced Beings (AB's) interested me as a
minister studying the evidence for their contact with humans in the
establishment of various religions. My family had UFO stories, but I
became interested in the phenomenon when, as a diplomat, I learned my
government collected UFO data in other countries.
Since then I have tried to
connect the ancient stories with present day
Karma One : What credibility do you give to recent
sources who give information about the nature of ABís, recent sources
like what we call channels, remote viewers and other ďNew AgersĒ? Do you
make a distinction between the abductee and the contactee?
Evidence included in the
book indicates that humans have had communications from AB's (gods,
angels, spirits, etc.) through dreams and trances throughout history.
Some of those communications were attempts to control humans, while
others gave Homo sapiens helpful information. In my view, all AB's are
simply other species of conscious beings, whether in physical or
Each AB, though perhaps more knowledgeable than humans, has only
a limited understanding of our complex universe. So, even when
well-intentioned, an AB can give the human channel only partial
knowledge. Given this and the fact that some may deliberately give us
false information, humans must be discerning about such communications
and corroborate them through different epistemologies.
Human must test channeled messages before acting on
Abductees refers to someone taken by an AB (or a
government agent) to another location, on Earth or beyond, against
his/her will. A contactee has received, willingly or not, some
communication or other contact from an AB.
Karma One : How do you explain that most of the
Myths and history of mankind tells the same story about the origin of
First, all the stories are not exactly the same. There
are many theories, but I believe the evidence (fossil, genetic,
archaeological, and anthropological) suggests Homo sapiens arose in
Africa due to AB genetic manipulation of Homo erectus. And that this
basic account was carried around the world by the migrating aboriginals.
There appears to have been subsequent genetic interventions (as
described in the Bible and Sumerian texts), so the
stories vary. Western scholars must be careful not to interpret other
cultural traditions through their own linguistic and religious
The fact that most traditions do have accounts of AB
involvement with either the first humans or their culture does give
credence to the AB intervention story.
Karma One : Beside the congruence and the
similarities between myths from different civilizations, what kind of
credibility can we give to those ancient myth and religions? Is it
possible that a manipulation is possible, that those ABís donít tell us
the true about our nature, their nature, our origin and their
My sense is that the variety among creation stories
reflects more the differences among human languages and cultures. I
prefer to review the historical data we have available about our origins
and AB interventions and develop up-dated interpretations of that past.
The purpose of the book is to test the hypothesis that natural
beings from elsewhere in the universe did influence our
test this hypothesis against historical records, the fossil record, phylogenetic tree
estimates, the history of languages and alphabets, and the human
institutions of kingship and priesthood. I use ancient documents and
From my perspective this gives us a version of history
to check AB accounts passed on to different humans. Like all
interpreters, human channels also distort to some extent the stories
AB's give them. Thus, we must be very careful not to take any
one channeled version of AB intervention as complete and valid.
Some of those AB sources may also be manipulating the human audience for
their own purposes, or the human channel may manipulate the
material for his or her own gain (publicity, financial wealth, or
control over a particular group as the early priests did when they
formed AB-god cults)
Karma One : Generally speaking, do you think
personally that those ABís are benevolent or malevolent ?
believe, like humans and probably all species, that there are benevolent
and malevolent AB's. Sometimes, what seems malevolent to humans may be a
perfectly natural behavior on the part of an AB. (What do animals think
of our experiments on them that we do in the name of science to benefit
Whether we consider an AB malevolent or benevolent, we must
assess whether the intention is more to help humans than to benefit the
AB, just as we evaluate human intentions.
Then we can decide whether to accept their help or
Karma One : People like David Jacobs or David Icke believe that a
race of ABís is responsible of a huge manipulation of the human race. Do
you believe in that?
I believe the first manipulation (a
genetic up-grading of Earth primates) was the most intrusive. It
dramatically speeded up hominoid development on this planet. That
appears to have been AB's doing to Homo erectus what humans now do
genetically to lesser species to enhance our diets and use animals for
service or sports.
Any manipulations since then appear to me to reflect struggles
among AB's for access to and control of Earth resources, which include
humans from their point of view. Some of these connections may be in the
form of secret links to covert human groups. I suspect these humans are
more responsible for disinformation and terrorizing the public than the
AB's directly. Reports of AB abductions and contacts seem to suggest
basically neutral or benign intentions.
In any event, the only
recourse the public has is to collectively pool information from all
sources and engage in open debate about human options. This proposed
process is treated fully in the last chapter of the book. Modern UFO and
ET interest groups have been much too cult-like and not willing enough
to share their information and cooperate with other groups.
This is an obstacle to overcoming the AB legacy of fragmented
consciousness and societal conflicts.
Karma One : Can we make a connection between the
story of the creation of man according to the Sumerian text and the
story of the creation of man according the Gnostic. Both talks about
superior beings. The Gnostic with the Archons are more specific when
they say that the Archons, coming from the Stars are bad creature
responsible of our falling fate. Do you think that the Archons and the Anunnaki are the same
Remember that the Gnostic texts are much more
recent than the Sumerian texts.
The Gnostic writers were the products of the Era of God-Cults
(from 3,500 BP to 500 CE) with its distortions of the early history of
AB's in Mesopotamia, Egypt, and the Eastern Mediterranean. In the last
several centuries of AB-god cults, humans had begun to imagine that the
Anunnaki and their junior AB's were supernatural powers (not just
natural beings who were more advanced than humans).
the Gnostic stories of creation have this supernatural
orientation. The Hebrew Torah and the Dead Sea Scrolls (all about
2,000 years old) still treated the AB's as natural beings until they
were later reinterpreted by the priesthood as supernatural. (The
development of magical thinking prevalent in AB-god cults and the
invention of supernaturalism in the modern era are described in Chapters
20 and 22 respectively.)
In my view the Archons of the
Gnostics were analogous to the Gi-Gi and
Neter of the Sumerian and Egyptian texts and the Greys of
today. In other words they were the "enlisted" men following the
commands of the "officer" corps.
Since they carried out the nasty orders of the ruling AB's (like
forcing humans to obey and even killing some of them), they are seen as
the evil, bad guys by humans.
Karma One : According to your search, what is your
personal opinion about the purpose of the AB by creating mankind? Just
for the fun and the beauty of creating intelligent life or, as some
authors postulates, ABís created man because they need some kind of
See the answer to question 5 above. It seems to me
that most groups or species act toward others in their own self-interest
(however that is defined). Thus, the Sumerian story of Anunnaki
"creation" of humans sounds reasonable.
They wanted some assistants who were strong and dependent on them
(like slave-owning humans), so they genetically domesticated some
hominoids for that role (as humans bred the dumb mule). With the help of
some AB's, particularly after the global cataclysm of 11,500 BP, much
human progress has been made.
can only blame humans for the distortions of the role of AB's in
history and the creation of supernaturally oriented religious and
political institutions that have stifled natural human development and
expansion of consciousness.
Karma One : In your book, with the ABís thesis, you
propose another way to look at the main religions (Christian, Muslim,
Buddhist and Jew). Religions are not the result of the contact between
the creator of all things and us but the contact between manipulated men
and advanced beings from more advanced civilizations. Do you mean that
those beings are more advanced technologically but not really
spiritually and in a metaphysical point of view? Is it possible that we
are the victims of a huge cultural manipulation from those beings and
that we are caught in a kind of Cargo Cult Syndrome?
questions are almost as I would state the conclusions from my research.
While the AB's were actively involved with humans on Earth, humans saw
them as more powerful beings, but only parts of the natural universe.
After the AB-gods withdrew from physical positions of power over humans,
and humans became kings, the human interpreters for the AB's began to
serve as an independent priesthood.
They took advantage of subjects of the various ruling AB's
(like Ishtar, Marduk, YHVH, Thoth, etc.) to turn them
into wishful-thinking cults. The cults were taught to believe that if
they did the rituals set out by the priests, gave offerings to them, and
prayed to the departed ABs' that they would come back and rule on Earth
again (the second-coming myth).
described in the response to question 6 above, these cults became the
basis for religion. They were like the Cargo Cult syndrome among Pacific
Islanders who saw the advanced technology of U.S. armed forces dropping
goodies to them and concluded the planes were gods.
remember that Christianity was a misrepresentation of the earlier
cult of YHVH and a distortion of the life of the human teacher
Jesus, but it was the product of the concept of supernaturalism
solidified in the Roman Church. Islam
came from the channeled message from an AB called Gabriel to Mohammed.
Once again it was a distortion of a view of an indirect
communication for the purposes of one human and his followers. Modern
religions like that of the Mormons came from a similar
experience. Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion, but many
supernaturally thinking Westerners treat it as a region with a
When I use the term AB for
Advanced Beings, I mean only that they are more advanced in
terms of technology or communications between dimensions and can
take the initiative to contact us; we can't force them to meet or talk
with us. I suspect that throughout the universe advanced species have
varying degrees of intellectual, moral, and ethical
In my view, only the natural philosophies of a few
traditional cultures reflect the appropriate view of the ultimate
creative source of the universe.
Cults or religions that worship human-defined AB's simply worship
their own projections.
Karma One : Do you believe that those ABís
pretending to be God are impostor or it is man who use those ABís
phenomenon as a tool to impose hierarchy and ultimate power who is the
I do not know of any AB's who declare they are the
creators of our universe or the cosmos. Some AB's have claimed to be the
rulers over Earth and humans, but that reflects their own desire for
power over us (as in human kings and queens who dominate and rule over
colonies of more primitive humans).
Only humans who think in very simplistic terms would even
consider pretending that AB's like YHVH, or variations of his
personality as in Allah or the Christian God, are
the ultimate source of all things. Such believers confuse
representatives of more advanced species from other planets with the
energy and consciousness that lies at the center of creation.
This is what Freud called an anthropomorphic projection
of human ideas on the unknown.
When the Anunnaki ruled what
is now the Middle East after the Flood, humans became very dependent on
them for technical assistance and knowledge (Chapters 11-13 in the
book). Humans developed a sense of not being self-sufficient,
looking to higher beings for direction and a confirmation of value.
After the AB's ceased direct rule over 4,000 years ago, humans felt
deserted and lost.
They became psychologically susceptible to manipulation by the
people who had been given authority as kings and priests. Most humans in
that area were easily swept into AB-god cults of one kind or the other.
These cults led directly to modern institutions of religion and royalty (providing the base
for most European governments).
The revolutionary US government has now also moved in this
theocratic direction, supporting secrecy and covert
Karma One : In your book, you clearly show that in
ancient times, wars between men were the result of wars between Gods and
their followers and that Gods taught men to ďhate each other for
superficial reasonsĒ. Today, despite the fact that those Gods or ABís
donít appear materially in front of us and our ďmodernĒ society, do you
think that it is still the case: wars between men could be the result
of silent wars between ABís?
Chapter 19 does
explain how the AB's between 4,000 and 10,000 years ago conscripted or
psychologically enlisted humans in their conflicts. However, I do not
know whether AB's still covertly use current wars as instruments for
their own battles. I see no direct purpose that would serve for them. I
do believe that most all wars in modern history have been wholly or
partially due to the historical conflicts among AB-god cults and their
derivative supernatural religions.
Starting with the wars among the states of Sumer, Akkadia,
Babylon, Israel, Egypt, Phoenicia, etc., we see they were led by the
AB-surrogate kings in a manner that duplicated the previous wars led by
the "gods of old". During this era of AB-cults, the kings believed they
enjoyed the protection of their AB-gods.
As supernaturalism began
to prevail in human consciousness, it became very easy for rulers to
invoke the names of their "gods" to whip credulous followers into the
frenzy necessary for battle.
still see that motivation in the soldiers and terrorists of modern wars
who die believing a "god" is on their side.
Karma One : Some authors like David Ash says that
the ďbenevolentĒ ABís toward men are not the ones we believe in.
Lucifer, the light bearer, or Satan could be falsely described as the
bad guy and YHVH and his angels, the good guys. Ash believe that because
Satan wanted to set the mankind free, he was described as an evil being
by the Judeo-Christian cults and religions. What do you think about this
kind of conception?
I agree with that conception. In Chapter
4 I describe that history (contained in the Book of Enoch) and show
that the AB's, led by one named Sin (of the family of Enki), who
wanted to provide more technical assistance to humans were overruled by
the senior AB's, led by Ninurta (who may also have been known as
The AB's who won that vote punished those who had given some
science to humans, by casting them out of certain positions (like a
modern government cabinet shuffle) and labeling them as "sinners". The
winners wanted to limit human access to science and the truth about
the goals of the Anunnaki. They "demonized" the AB's favoring
human development, such as Enki whose symbol was the caduceus
(two intertwined serpents). That's why the AB desiring to give knowledge
to Eve in the Bible is associated with a serpent, leading to your next
To complicate the story, it seems that the ďgoodĒ guys,
those who bring knowledge to mankind are related to the snake
(the role of the good snake against the Archons in the Gnostic texts), a
reptilian symbolism (very important in shamanism also).
the other hand, some authors believes that the reptilian (short Greys are described
sometimes as reptilian entities) are the ďbad guysĒ, the
extraterrestrial entities who manipulate this world, wage the wars,
abduct men, women and children and are behind secrets societies like the
The confusion relating to symbols by human writers, including
myself, is understandable. We have so many contradictory sources
alleging to represent the facts that one has to be very careful about
making final conclusions.
The Gnostic texts were close enough historically to common
knowledge about the story I describe under question 11, that it is
logical they would associate helpful AB's with Enki and his followers
with his serpent symbol. To now label all reptilian-type AB's as the
"bad guys" and to associate them with the serpent symbol of Enki (a
hominoid type) makes two mistakes.
First, the Enki symbol refers
to the DNA double helix, not the reptile kingdom of animals. Second, the
AB's we label reptilian do not correspond to Earthly reptilian species.
Using the word reptile for an AB group only a signify a
particular AB body-type. Like the selection of animal forms as totems in
older societies, we use the word reptile to characterize an
aspect of a group of AB's. In most
traditions, the reptile totem has had very positive meanings (as in the
Chinese and Celtic cultures).
fact, the Christian culture is the most prominent to use the reptile
image in a negative manner. It should be obvious that this was done by
the priesthood to scare believers away from the true story of
Ninurta/YHVH's desire to control us.
Karma One : Do we possess material to prove that
churches and religious authorities obscured the real nature of those
ABís when the main religions and churches created the notion of
ďethericĒ being (angels and demons) instead talking about the fact that
those ABís are in fact real flesh entities. What is the purpose of this
Yes, I believe historical documents do suggest
when the real nature of AB's began to change. Chapters 20-22 explain
this progression from natural to magical to supernatural descriptions of
the existence of AB's and their relationship to humans. Chapter 7
describes the natural perspective earlier humans had on the presence of
their interactions with other dimensions and AB's.
The reason most researchers do not see this evidence before our
eyes is that they interpret older texts through assumptions of today's
supernaturalism. For instance, when they read of AB's walking, talking,
eating and having sex with humans, they just assume the account is
allegorical according to their modern interpretation of reality.
However, if one reads ancient accounts in context, it is very easy to
find concrete descriptions of the lives of the
The Vedic, Sumerian, Persian, Egyptian, Hebrew,
Greek and other texts from the era of AB domination over Earth are
filled with historical stories that deserve to be read as the authors
intended, telling the stories of beings that they knew.
Only within the last 2,000 years we do see the shift to
discussions about the possibility that specific AB's or humans might be
etheric or spiritual and the unique representatives of a divine
realm beyond human comprehension.
Karma One : You seem to use mathematical
probabilities and genetics as a tool to help science to corroborate the
existence of ABís. Can you explain this?
The ancient texts
and metaphysical sources both suggest certain time-lines for the
interventions of AB's in human history. If those time-lines are correct,
we should be able to corroborate them through various scientific
disciplines. For instance, we now can be quite certain that the events
described as the Flood in the Hebrew Torah and other stories around the
world actually happened about 11,500 years ago.
Some dates associated with various break-ups of Atlantis can now be
confirmed by geophysical research. (See chapter
Consequently, if such time-lines refer to genetic
interventions in human development, we should be able to corroborate
them with the technology of phylogenetic trees. This is
a technique used by geneticists (counting alleles in a group's genome)
to estimate the age and geographic location of significant genetic
variations from a standard evolutionary model. These points of variation
appear as the branches on our evolutionary tree. Chapter 9 describes
Several studies suggest that the oldest human groups
(Africans) appeared from a small pool of male and female genes about the
time historical sources point to the first genetic intervention that
resulted in Homo sapiens (circa 300,000 BP). Similar genetic studies and
the fossil record discussed in Chapter 8 also tend to confirm ancient
texts' accounts of the divergence of Caucasians and Orientals. This
studies do not directly prove the AB-intervention hypothesis, but they
are surprisingly corroborative.
need more scientific research in this area.
Karma One : Because of the great cataclysm, the
great flood that most of the religious texts reports, you postulate that
we have a legacy, a post traumatic stress disorder deeply implanted in
us still today. What are the consequences of this legacy in our behavior
today? Do you think that this disorder was willingly implanted in us and
controlled by some of the ABís to control us by fear ?
infer a traumatic stress disorder among the survivors of the Cataclysm
from descriptions we have of their reactions to AB technical assistance.
Humans did not understand the physical calamity that had befallen them
and needed immediate aid. Sumerian and Hebrew texts report how grateful
the humans were for the gods' help.
Because the AB's had superior technology and access to seeds and
possibly domesticated animals, humans saw them as saviors. (DNA studies
show our modern livestock were genetically bred thousands of years
before the Cataclysm.) They bowed before the AB's and offered them the
choice meats and fruits. Humans felt themselves undeserving and
dependent on the AB's. Of course many AB's took advantage of this
"dependency syndrome" to obtain psychological loyalty in their
internecine AB struggles.
This era reinforced the human view that
our species was well below that of the gods from the skies. Some saw
humans as fallen beings, unworthy to touch the hem of an AB garment and
in need of AB blessings. In many human groups people turned to worship
any species from another part of the universe. (This is as true today in
UFO/ET and religious groups as it was in the era of god-cults.)
Humans desperately wanted to be more like AB's, to be taken into
the skies in their craft. Humans envied the longer life-time of the AB's
whose planets had different orbits from their suns. Humans began to
covet a home in the heavens.
All these psychological conditions
has made it possible for humans pretending to have a special connection
to the gods to create cults and religions, promising a return of the
AB's and, perhaps, the possibility of a life in the heavens with the
AB's. These promises are made by humans for their own benefit. This is
the myth told by kings, popes, imams, rabbis, and others to keep control
over men. The sad thing is that most people in these positions today do
not know the truth either.
They are just as gullible as any of their followers in
perpetuating the lie.
Karma One : Do you think that the ABís are at the
origin of those cataclysms that wipe out most of humanity (as Sitchin seems to postulate
with weather control and atomic
No, I do not believe that the history of
Earth cataclysms originates in AB's. Our turbulent solar system and its
interactions with the rest of our galaxy and the universe make life on
any planet over time rather tenuous.
is likely that AB's have been able to predict cataclysmic events better
that humans, and in some instances may have taken advantage of this
knowledge to manipulate them. Conversely, AB's have obviously provided
assistance to human survivors on one or more occasions.
Some human predictions (like the Mayan calendar) seem to
indicate we learned about cosmic influences from AB
Karma One : Why did some of the ABís help mankind
to restore civilization?
As indicated in some of the earlier
answers, certain AB's have always appeared to have a positive interest
in humans and provided them with knowledge and assistance. The Bible and
Sumerian texts suggest that some AB's (from among the Elohim and
Anunnaki) actually warned humans in Mesopotamia that a cataclysm
was due and provided specifications for the construction of a
submersible craft that would surface after being deluged by flood
These same AB's reportedly heard the pleas of the humans upon
opening the "ark" and took pity on them. After all, the AB's had helped
genetically create this species of humans in "
their own image". Given the reports of earlier
mating between some AB's and humans, even producing hybrid offspring
("the biblical giants of old"), family ties may have motivated some of
the AB assistance. It is also reasonable to believe that the AB's would
have been disappointed to see their experiment just perish due to a
Humans are similarly motivated to help much lesser species caught
in disasters (and the blood ties between the AB's and the human
survivors were very powerful.)
Karma One : Some authors postulate that we are
caught in an endless cycle of evolution and devolution: Our current
civilization has existed only 7000 years. That is nothing in a cycle of
millions of years. Do you think that it is possible that a widespread
civilization, well advanced technologically, that looks like us existed
a long time ago (a very long time before the Sumerian era) and left no
I, too, believe that all species experience cycles of
progress and decline. A species can decline into extinction or achieve a
renaissance. Given the age of Earth and the metaphysical information we
have about the existence of earlier forms of humans (and traditional
memories of Atlantis, Lemuria, and other lost
civilizations), I think it is likely that advanced races have lived
prior to ours.
Their existence would help explain some of the presently
unexplainable discoveries of very ancient tooled and scientifically
sophisticated artifacts found around the globe and described in books
like Forbidden Archaeology.
Karma One : Many researchers and scholars
corroborate and continue the work of Zecharia Sitchin on the
Sumerian Texts. Those texts give many incredible and important details
about the origin of our civilization, about our links and our relations
with the ABís, those we call Gods in the sacred books. This kind of
information could change dramatically the perspective we have about
religion and history. Why do academic authorities, the mainstream media,
and other researchers in universities not give more importance to the
study of the Sumerian Texts?
As my book Gods, Genes, &
Consciousness explains in more detail, the very essence of
the authority that these institutions base their existence on is their
claim to represent the "natural" or "God-given" truth. They have been a
part of the cover-up from the time of the Roman Empire to discredit the
story of AB involvement in human history.
admit that what they call the true origins of science and religion (and
hence, Western Civilization) may not be true would totally undermine
their credibility and authority. All the power structures they have been
paid to reinforce would withdraw that financial support. The entire
edifice of modern societies would collapse.
Individuals in these institutions do not have such a "death
wish", to destroy all that makes them who they are.
Karma One : Do you believe that today, ABís like YHVH and the Anunnaki bloodlines still want to influence and shape the
history of our civilization and that they are still present but
invisible? Do you believe in the Illuminati hypothesis,
in the fact that the Illuminati represent the Anunnaki interests on
earth or do you think that it is a too weird speculation from lunatic
First, let's clarify the concept of "bloodlines". If
the AB genetic manipulations I describe in the book are correct, then
all Homo sapiens sapiens are part of the general Anunnaki
bloodline. What some writers refer to as "blue bloods" or "royal or
holy bloodlines" are the direct descendants of mating between individual
AB's and individual humans (mainly females, though not exclusively).
These were known as "demigods" in several Middle Eastern societies and
were likely the first humans to be "anointed" kings over city states by
(Your reference to whether AB's are still present but
invisible is covered elsewhere.)
Not all children of such
AB-human mating ended up in royal palaces as kings or pharaohs. Some of
them apparently became teachers among the humans, trying to help them
understand their reality as children of the AB-gods as well as
Earthlings. They were founders of what I call the non-theist natural
traditions (the traditions suppressed by the priests of AB-god cults
and supernatural religions).
On your last question above, I do
believe there are a number of groups who covertly manipulate the course
of humans affairs whenever possible for their own gain. This may include
organizations like the Illuminati, but for the most part their names are not known.
usually refer to them as Oligarchs or Synarchs.
believe their interest is more in preserving the power they
originally derived from having close connections to the ruling Anunnaki
(and are hidden behind the royals and priests who more clearly inherited
power from the AB's)
Karma One : You consider YHVH as an AB who wanted
to impose during Moses reign an utopian centralized society. Why you use
the word ďutopiaĒ? What kind of utopia and society did this God want to
impose and why? Is it really an Anunnaki ABís vision or his behavior
show that he comes from another civilization?
described in Chapter 12, I do believe YHVH was one of the
second-level Earth-based Anunnaki (possibly the one known in
Sumerian as Ninurta). Like Ishtar, Baal, and others he wanted to
develop a distinct group of humans as his own fiefdom too give him
higher status among his AB peers. He came from the group of AB's who
were more authoritarian and controlling of humans, without giving them a
lot of advanced knowledge and assistance.
used the word "utopia" in the sense of it being an AB-idealized concept,
not the perfect one for humans.
From YHVH's perspective, he wanted a society that was
disciplined, controlled by his chosen priests and dedicated to honoring
him above all other AB's. He required strict rules of behavior, diet,
dress, and warfare for him. He was an absolute ruler, threatening harsh
punishment, including death for disobedience. (All the attributes of his
ideal society are found in Books of Numbers and Leviticus in the Jewish
Its purpose was more to keep humans in line than to facilitate
their creativity and potential.
Karma One : One could postulate that language and
the art of writing is a ďgiftĒ from ABís to mankind. But in your book,
you are ambiguous about this gift. On one hand, you seem to say that
ABís gave us a very sophisticated language and writing capable of full
and perfect communication, also including an esoteric level, with each
sound having magical properties. On the other hand, you talk about
devolution of language. You say from the Sanskrit to today, the language
lost its ďpowerĒ for full and magic communication. You talked also about
the story of the Tower of Babel where the human looses this connection
with ABís language. So, whoís responsible of this situation? Does the
ABís has a agenda with language to weaken, to lose us in a strict 3D
reality with a language disconnected from the ABís
Yes, I do believe, as several human traditions
suggest, that some forms of language and writing were the gifts of AB's
to at least some groups. (As you know from Chapter 16, I think there
were also some totally natural and some partially natural human
There may have been languages older than 100,000 years now
unknown of both human and AB origin, but I believe today's major world
languages are likely derivatives of early AB input, because they have
lived through writing (another AB gift, according to both Western and
Eastern accounts). Of modern languages, I believe Sanskrit
represents the most well-developed AB-based language.
Sanskrit itself means "perfected" and the name of its script
"devanagari" means "from the gods". Its 50 letters and 15 vowels are the
most technically well developed of the other, more recent, alphabets, in
terms of reflecting the human voice apparatus for speech. When I speak
of devolution of the alphabet and associated languages, I refer
to the more simplistic Western alphabets of Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and
Another way these languages have devolved is through loss of
understanding of the original energetic power of the sound of each
letter. They were initially intended to be used in words that
corresponded to the energy frequencies of the object or action they
symbolized. Although some esoterics attempt to understand it, that
aspect was essentially lost from our collective memory.
(Numerology today shows this devolution.)
The gifts of
languages and alphabets came from the group of AB's interested in
promoting human development. The Tower of Babel story reflects
what may have been several occasions when one AB or another wanted to
keep closer control over a group of humans. As in modern colonial
history when conquerors have forced new languages on subjugated peoples,
apparently some AB's divided humans among themselves through a similar
in most other areas of human history since 3,500 BP, I believe it has
been humans who have manipulated the evolution and use of language for
their own agendas.
Karma One : In the ritual abuse phenomenon, the
victims, and also the psychiatrists and the psychologists who examine
them, indicate most of them suffer from a Multiple Personality Disorder.
They also note sometimes in the victim accounts the presence of alien
entities, demon, devil entities, reptilian (read the late Karla Turner) etc. Some
even speak about Anunnaki. More and more specialists of ritual abuse and
MPD take that situation (alien presence in military abduction and ritual
abuse) seriously. Do you think that some ABís plays a role in that
peculiar case and for what purpose? In the same way, Monarch programming and
ritual abuse are a very peculiar phenomenon that some psychologist and
specialist of the mental health community relate to the abduction
phenomenon. According to some authors, Monarch programming, Mind Control, and satanic
and ritual abuse are part of plan set up to abduct children and use them
for Mind control and the coming of the so called antichrist and to
impose a one-world, one-religion government. Do you think that some ABís
are involved in that?
First of all, I do not know the facts
about this subject. I can only conjecture. MPD is a naturally occurring
psychological phenomenon when an incarnated consciousness is subjected
to untenable stress. For whatever reason, when the personality cannot
cope with the reality of a particular experience, it dissociates into
self-protective fragments (or multiple personalities). (This exists to
varying degrees in all humans.) Having said that, let me speculate on
A strong human can voluntarily permit another
entity to speak through its conscious field (we call these volunteers
channels). A weak human's conscious field can be invaded by another
consciousness, either human or AB. I am certain the latter has occurred
in many and different circumstances. It is just one of the ways powerful
beings can take greater control over temporarily fragile humans, adults
and children alike.
So, the answer to your question is, if the
programming and other mind-control projects you suggest are happening,
one of the tactics used certainly involves subjecting people to the
necessary stress (through drugs, physical and psychological
abuse, and ritual pressures) to break their normal personality borders
and insert "alien" consciousness. (Alien can be either AB or
Karma One : Do you think that ďmodern
dictatorshipsĒ like the Nazi regime, the North
Korean government, or Stalinism with its cult of personality have their
roots in human consciousness in the relation human being has in old
civilization with their ABís leaders? Without their influence, do you
think that we could develop another kind of government, self
development, relation with nature and consciousness?
believe all modern top-down governments
(including democracies who have permitted the taking of control from
self-governing local groups by authoritarian means, individuals, or
organizations) have their roots in the AB heritage of kingship and
this situation the leaders believe, and their followers accept, the
notion that the officials in power are there by the god(AB)-given or
Darwin-given right to rule.
Yes, without the AB-legacy model, I
am convinced the governments of the world would be very different than
most of them are today. If we look at the models of the few traditional
societies who escaped the direct or indirect-colonized influence of the
AB hegemony after 11,500 BP, we see a more egalitarian, gender-balanced,
and participatory form of government.
There is usually much more respect for individual rights and
differences. Leaders are usually volunteers who do public service for a
time and then return to their own work. They may be chosen by lot to
randomly rotate the authority and responsibility around the community.
Such societies reflect a respect for nature and its importance in
the survival of humans. Unfortunately, all significant societies today
have been taken over by one of the old ruling bloodlines or economic
elites who gained power through the old "royal" systems.
(This includes most of Europe, the U.S., most Arab nations, China
and Japan, and many others.)
Karma One : Some authors like Clive Prince and Lynn
Pincket (the Stargate conspiracy)
believe that a conspiracy exist to build a one world religion, a new way
to worship ABís with a mixing, a syncretism of old Egyptian religion,
rituals from the Schoolís Mystery and other Judeo Christian elements,
the creation of what you call a new supernaturalism to worship a
anthropocentric God. Do you believe in that speculation? Do ABís pose
another kind of threat ?
No, I do not believe a conspiracy
exists to create a new supernatural, anthropocentric god-based world
religion. The existing supernatural religions are easy enough to use by
covert forces who wish to manipulate them.
see this in the current theocratic movement in the United States, the
use of supernatural conflicts in India, a secular state, and of course
between Jewish, Islamic, and Christian societies wherever financial
interests want to divide and conquer nations or regions. The very
unverifiable nature of the validity of supernaturalism makes its
believers, in whatever "god", susceptible to easy manipulation by coded
words and symbols. Another psychosis is not required.
thinking of New Age movements and the
defensive posture of materialist science offers no solutions to the
current fragmentation of society.
I do believe there is a small
degree of hope for a resurgence of the natural tradition of science and
philosophy (exemplified in classical Greece, the European Renaissance
and the Enlightenment). It could provide the human species to a more
accurate understanding of its past and its actual relationship ABs.
book's final chapter offers a way with its concept of a Public
Karma One : Do you encounter some problems with
your concept of AB's with religious authority or with readers? How has
your book been received by the press and by the ufologist and conspiracy
I have not been directly attacked by religious
authorities or readers for this book.
They have learned that the best way to suppress such heretical
views is to ignore them. A religious university bookstore simply
refuses to have a book-signing. Their periodicals do not carry reviews.
The mainstream press and public
academic institutions also ignore such challenges to their
However, there are fairly large groups of people who believe the
"official" world views of government, religion, and science have
serious deficiencies in their coverage of what humans really
know. These people enthusiastically engage in discussions with me on the
merits of my research. Smaller periodicals and newspapers and some
radio/TV hosts really like the book.
hero Giordano Bruno was
burned at the stake on February 19, 1600 and his natural cosmology is
still suppressed in the same manner.