I did not necessarily believe the information about all these alien bases,
but I was willing to suspend disbelief for the duration of the sessions
if only to collect a large amount of data to analyze. About a year later,
I had worked with some abductees who reported being taken to underground
bases, or tunnel areas, where large laboratories were set up and some
of the descriptions were so bizarre that I was pretty much incredulous.
I had the idea that these were, in fact, screen memories to mask something
much more prosaic. Some of the other group members were a lot more knowledgable
about the subject than I was, having read more extensively in the realms
of UFO literature. It seems that there was such a mass of confusing information
on the subject that we wanted to just get to the "basics" and get "another
opinion, " so to speak.
Q: (L) We want to know if there are really underground tunnels all over
the place that many people have reported being taken to in alien abductions?
Q: (T) Do they predate humanity?
A: A few.
Q: (T) Are they equivalent of subway tunnels, to get from one place to
Q: (L) How do they travel through these tunnels?
(T) Can individuals be transported through the tunnels without benefit
of equipment? Or do they use some kind of gadgetry?
A: All of the above.
(L) Who occupies these tunnels?
Q: (T) Are there still beings
Q: (T) Are humans involved in this?
Q: (T) Were
there humans involved in digging some of these tunnels?
Before that, there were other beings that were not human?
Are those other beings still down there?
Q: (T) Is this a worldwide
network of tunnels?
Q: (T) Where are most of the tunnels?
America, since that is the "capitol" of STS, currently.
Q: (T) Are there
other tunnel systems other than in North America?
Q: (T) Do any
of the tunnels lead to Antarctica?
Q: (T) Is there any way of getting
to Antarctica through the tunnel systems even if you have to come to the
Q: (T) Is there some kind of underground
base in Antarctica?
A: Yes. Eight.
Q: (T) Were any of those bases underground
in Antarctica built by the Germans during World War II?
A: Sect. Remember,
all is structured in cycles and circles. Circles within circles.
A: One example of concept.
Q: (T) Jan and I have a friend who has
told us about someone she knew who found entrances to tunnel systems in
North America. One of the entrances was in the Airondacks, another was
in the Mammoth cave system. Was what she was told true?
A: Yes, but there
are thousands of entrances. Are you ready for a "shocker?"
Q: (J) Oh, you
know we are always ready for a shocker. (L) Sure! (T) Okay, give us the
shocker. (J) We're ready!
A: There is a tunnel right beneath your feet!
(J) I knew they were going to say that. (L) How deep under our feet?
Q: (T) Is that tunnel being used?
Q: (T) Are there humans
A: Have been, listen for sound anomalies such as loud sonic
boom like noises and vague motorized sounds.
Q: (L) Is there any kind of
electronic gadgetry down there causing my appliances to keep breaking
Q: (T) Is there an entrance to this tunnel underneath us
somewhere in this area?
A: Near power plant.
Q: (T) Is that why the power
plant is built there?
A: Related; old Nike base.
Q: (T) What direction does
this tunnel run that is underneath us?
A: East - West.
Q: (T) The West
ends at the power plant. Okay, where does the East end go?
A: Near Lakeland.
Transfer point and redirector.
Q: (T) Is there another tunnel that comes
into this tunnel, that intersects this tunnel?
Q: (T) Near Lakeland?
Q: (T) Is that what you are talking about; a transfer point?
(T) Does that tunnel travel North/South?
Q: (L) Lakeland is in the
center of the state. (T) Where does it go? Are these side tunnels to a
main tunnel that runs along the East coast?
A: All are interconnected.
(T) So, it is like a subway or bus line? Is there a tunnel farther South
Q: (T) How far does the farthest South tunnel go?
Q: (T) I was thinking about the military base. (L) I would think that
the tunnels bear no relationship to the structures under the surface except
in certain instances. (J) But, what got there first, the tunnels or the
structures on the surface? (L) Obviously the tunnels have been there for
a long time, and perhaps, in certain instances a situation may be manipulated
so that a specific structure is built to facilitate the tunnel usage,
but the fact that Lakeland is built over it may not be relevant. (T) There
is no entrance to the tunnel system near Lakeland?
A: Yes. Phosphate plant.
Q: (J) Was the placement of this tunnel under our feet the reason
Laura got this house?
Q: (T) Does the placement of the tunnel underneath
us have something to do with the channel?
Q: (T) Because of the
greater EM underneath us; we are tapping into that EM energy?
in offhand way.Several months later we had a guest, my brother, who is
retired from the Navy. He was curious about some strange experiences he
had while on a "shake down cruise" of one of the new Aegis guided missle
cruisers. This series of questions led to some really STRANGE things...
(L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted and studied by aliens?
Q: (L) Are all military personnel routinely abducted and studied by
the military itself?
Q: (L) What is the classification that the person
has to fall into in order to be abducted and studied by the military?
What makes you think "classifications" correlates with abductions?
It's not the classification, it's.... It's gotta be the type of person...
Q: (TK) And how easy it would be to influence....
A: Of course.
And many other factors.
Q: (TK) It would have to have something to do with
what they could do for the abductors. I mean, they have to be in a position
to help them...
A: Yes. STS. Vibrational frequency.
Q: (L) OK, so if the
person has an STS vibrational frequency, that already predisposes them
to abduction. Is that correct?
Q: (T) OK, that's a factor. There's
more than one agenda involved with abductions. Are the military personnel
that are being abducted, is that a specific agenda that is being followed?
Artificial classifications, such as military designations, are important
to human groups only.
Q: (J) I've got a question. Isn't it true that in
order to become part of the military, you have to go through boot camp,
the indoctrination to the point where you're going to follow orders without
questioning, and that that mind-set would lend itself more towards...
(TK) The Marines are about the only ones that even try to get people to
follow orders without question any more. The Navy has all but given up
on that. (J) That's interesting. I didn't know that. I just assumed that
all military. (TK) Well, it's not a time of war so it's not necessary
A: Yes. Some have always "faked" such blind allegiance anyway.
(TK) I basically faked it, I...
A: You were not alone.
Q: (TK) Oh, yeah!
There were a bunch of us. "Yeah, sure, tell us what to do. If it's in
our interest, if we're going to stay alive, we'll do it; if you're going
to kill us, forget it!" I used to tell them on the ship, that if those
suckers ever catch me, I'm going to tell them everything I know. I said,
they aren't going to have to torture me long... (T) Besides, when you
torture me, I tend to scream a lot and not tell you too much, so I'll
just tell you and let' s skip the torture. (TK) So when I refused to go
up for ESWIS, I was kind of an outcast, I wasn't in the club anymore...
Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist. This captain put it in such a way,
he said, "Well, if you'll work on your ESWS and get that pin, I'll see
to it that you get good marks and make chief..." , which to me was like
saying, well, if you don't do it, you're not going to make chief. I said
Sorry, bud! I don't respond well to that kind of stuff. (F) You would
have set the service back a number of years. (TK) That's when I became
an outcast from the club.
A: Not correct concept, not outcast, just deemed
not SG material.
Q: (L) What's SG?
A: Secret Government.
Q: (TK) Darn! (J)
You had your chance Tom, and you blew it!
A: There are several steps that
must be followed. to become part of the secret government. Viet Nam MIA's,
where do you suppose they are now?
Q: (TK) Have they been abducted? (T)
Some of them got blown up so badly that they couldn't be found, so they
were listed as MIAs, because they couldn't mark them as KIAs. Some of
them are deserters, some of them... well, deserters would fall into several
classifications, which I won't bother getting into. Some of them went
into the drug trade. (TK) Some of them just decided they liked it better
over there. (T) Yeah, there's that, and some of them, I would imagine,
have been either abducted or swapped, moved into the secret government.
(L) Is all of this correct?
A: Yes. KIA's... Are a Separate subject!! KIA's,
how many really were?
Q:(T) How many of the 60,000 really were killed?
How many of them are listed as dead when they're not? Intelligence...Are
these some of the people working in these underground places?
(L) That's where those personnel are coming from... their lives, they
have died the philosopher's death.
A: And many other places, times. etc...
(TK) Wars all through the ages. How many are we talking about?
your imagination center is on low frequency tonight, suppose we have to
spell it all out for you, W.W.II, 72,355, still alive where????
Is that the correct figure?... (T) Now, wait a minute...
That's how many people the secret government has snatched up? (TK) That's
out of something like 40 million casualties... (F) Total People killed
in W.W.II was 70 to 80 million... (TK) Military casualties... . we're
not talking about just U.S. military, either, we're talking about total,
anybody.... (L) Still alive! (T) That were supposedly killed in action...
Q: (T): From all branches of the service.
Q: (TK): These people
aren't aging; they're still in action and ready to go...
Q: (J) OK, that's just W.W.II...(TK) How about Korea, Vietnam,
etc... (L) All right, what's the figure from Korea? (TK) What difference
does it make?
Q: (TK) How about the Gulf War?
A: Yes. 55.
Yeah, there was about 55 thousand casualties in Korea, in the four years
of Korea. Really it was 3 1/2 years in Korea. So 6,000, about a little
over 10% of them aren't really dead.
Q: (T) 23,000 of the 66,000...
Q: (T): ...are still alive?
A: Yes. Some are body duplicate soul receptacle
Q: (J) They have just around 100,000 with those three figures
they gave us. (T) Yes, we're only asking about the U.S. How about others?
Yes, you're right, how about other military... (J) We have no way of knowing.
Have they ever released figures? We don't know. (TK) So, the underground
bases, the Secret Government has a military right now, and it's not just
a military, these are elite. I'll bet you, they're elite. I mean, they've
been recruited. (J) They've been asked the question, and they said yes!
(T) Yes, this is not some guy hunking a gun in a foxhole just for the
heck of it. These are specialists. (TK) The CIA was siphoning people off
in 'Nam right and left. (J) Oh, I'm sure they were. (TK) This "New World
Order" is about to come about. You know what, there isn't any way to stop
it. You can fight back and try to survive on your own, but there's no
way to stop the New World Order. (T) The only way to get through this
is the old Lao Tzu or whoever, the Chinese military philosopher, who said
"The wheat stalk that survives is the one that bends with the wind." (TK):
"Yes, I'll do whatever you say." (T) There's no way to stop it. All these
people who are talking about going out and going to fight it, they aren't
going to fight it. They can't. They can't win. (F) Well, they are already
being diverted. (TK) On top of everything else, these are the elite. I
mean, these are the ones that have been recruited, and they are the elite.
Now, most military organizations are going to fall right into this, because
the government.... Admitted, there's gong to be a lot of deserters from
the military, I mean there's some people, like, if I was in the m ilitary,
and they started rounding people up in the U.S., I'd say, "Sorry, this
is where I came in..." (T) This is why this Koernke guy up in the Michigan
militia group has been talking about the foreign UN troops, because the
military, the government that's ready to come into power, this one world
government knows that you can't subdue any country with their own troops.
(TK) It can't be done. (T) That's why they're sending American troops
to all these other countries. (F) And all the other countries are sending
troops here. (J) Well, what about the guy who wouldn't put on the U.N.
uniform? (T) Yes, that was mentioned in the paper again today, in passing.
This guy knew. (TK) Well, really, the only thing a person can do is like
you were saying, go with the flow... Basically, you've got to. Up to a
point, at least. (T) It's easier to fight it by going with the flow than
it is to fight it by going against it. (F) Who is going to stand up in
the line of fire and say "I refuse!" They'd blow him away... (TK): What,
if anything, can be done about this "New World Order?"
A: Too complex to
answer, need specific questions.
Q: (T) Also, right now, if you're considering
survivalist groups, you have to keep in mind, they're under attack right
now. (TK) Oh, yeah, the government's after them. (T) Between Oklahoma
and this thing with Amtrak out in Arizona, militias are under heavy attack.
Being lead in to a trap.
Q: (L) I suspected that at one time. They're all
being led into a trap. (T) Well, they've got guns right now... (J) Maybe
guns aren't going to change anything...
A: Good intentions.
Q: (TK) Started
off with good intentions... They've got to be infiltrated, and it's been
tainted at the very least. (J) Maybe it's the idea of putting all the
ones together with the same mind set so you know where they are. (T) Their
usefulness to the One World Government people has come to an end. It brought
the conservative grouping into power in this country.
A: Not yet.
Their usefulness isn't over yet, but... (L) OK, in those terms, what is
the single most important thing that we as individuals should focus on
in order to prepare ourselves for whatever events may occur?
A: No single
Q: (TK) Is what Terry was saying earlier, like the thing... with
the reed bending and going with the flow, is that the idea?
A: Close. Watch,
Q: (J) Got it, knowledge is power.
A: Alertness. Messengers
are all around. Look, listen.
Q: (TK) Is it going to be necessary to stockpile
supplies, or anything along those lines?
A: Third density.
Q: (L) Are there
any Civil War individuals involved in this project, these underground
tunnels or bases or whatever? (T): KIA's of the Civil War?
A: A few.
Q: (L) I think the point is who they are. Now, in the Matrix material,
there's a section that talks about technical abilities to jerk people's
souls out of their bodies, insert other souls, reprogram the memories,
essentially that there is no congruency...
Q: (L) OK, so the jerking out and the manipulating of souls as described
there is false? In a general sense?
Q: (L) OK, now,
you said a moment ago that some of these bodies were used as receptacles,
soul receptacles. When you say soul receptacles, do you mean soul receptacles
A: Replacements for dead bodies, i.e. duplicated.
Q: (L) So, in
other words, they make replacements for dead people and put their souls
in a replacement body, so that they can continue living on, is that it?
Q: (L) Do they ever use dead bodies and re-animate them and then put
other souls in them?
A: No. For example: a soldier is KIA, his body is
duplicated, his soul is replaced into new body, then he is "reprogrammed
for service" to aliens and S.G. (Secret Government)
Q: (L) Where does the
new body coming from?
A: It is duplicate of old body. TDARM.
Q: TDARM is
Trans Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization (T) Otherwise known in Star
Trek as a 'Replicator'. (TK) Does somebody have to die in a certain way
before they can do this?
A: (TK): Is there a time limit on how long
they can be dead?
A: No. Zero time.
Q: (T): Because there's no time... (L)
They use the frequency vibration of the soul pattern, they take it into
another density, use their TDARM technology to cause a molecular re-assembly;
in other words, the atoms begin to whir and assemble around it in the
pattern that it had before, and then it is a full-fledged body, and then
they insert it back through the time doorway into 3D again. Is that correct?
Q: (T): Are all these KIA's, are they dead KIA's, when they go,
that you were talking about? I mean, are they really dead? (TK) Were they
dead when this was done?
Q: (T): OK, you said... let's use Vietnam.
You said there were 23,000 KIA's of the 60,000 that actually were not
killed in action. True? Yes?
A: Were killed, then reanimated.
Q: (L) We're
not talking about physical bodies here, are we?
Q: (L) OK, there
are some that were killed in action that the actual bodies were reanimated?
(J) As long as they weren't blown up in a land mine, yeah. (L) There were
actually bodies that were actually reanimated, is that correct?
but most were duplicated.
Q: (L) Now this leads to the immediate question:
Is there some potentiality that is created by dying in a violent manner;
i.e., in war, in an atmosphere of war, that makes one susceptible to this
particular type of activity, as opposed to just people dying in an ordinary
Q: (T): No, because violent death like that, we have violent
death all the time without being in a war; car crashes, fires, explosions...
War makes covert actions so easy.
Q: (T) Well, no, it's not like car crashes,
the violent part of it, I don't think has anything to do with it. It's
just that the cover of a war, is easier to take the bodies. (TK) They're
not wanting people to realize ... They're not wanting to just take them
out of the graves, because if you did, it would be more noticed. (T) These
are real bodies, they were dead. In other words, the people were dead,
they were taken, and reanimated, or... (L) Were some of these bodies taken,
like dead bodies of somebody who just died... were the bodies picked up,
taken into another density for this remolecularization patterning?
(L) OK, so they had to have an actual body for the pattern. (T) Was the
original body... (TK) Did they actually get the bodies before anybody
actually... (T) Before they were recovered, yes. Were the original bodies
returned once the duplication was done?
A: More than one type of situation.
(L) So, in other words, it could be sometimes, yeah, they were, and sometimes,
no, they weren't. (J) It would be case by case. (T) Were some of these
supposed "killed in action's" actually not killed? Were they still alive
when they were removed?
A: All possibilities.
Q: (L) So this is in a sense
a "crime of opportunity." (J) It's a supermarket of opportunities. (T)
Some were just taken by the secret government when they were alive, some
were dead and brought back in new bodies to continue on, and they were
considered dead, but they're all considered dead.
A: Taken by aliens, not
SG. Secret Government aware to some extent, but not in control of operation.
Q: (L) OK, now this brings up the question about... We were told that
there was, and this was... last week we asked about this thing about the
death... and we were told that there was an impenetrable triple veil that
prevents some of this "soul jerking" type of activity, that
he describes happening. How can this be reconciled?
A: Time adjustment.
Q: (L) Does that mean that
they know that they're going to, and they go back in just before they
die, or just at the moment of death, or...???
Q: (T): Now, what
are the aliens doing with these bodies? With the humans that they replicate
and duplicate and reanimate? What are they doing with them?
A: Serve them.
Q: (T) They're slaves. (L) Now, this leads me to a question that
I have thought about asking on many occasions. In terms of finite numbers,
how many of these STS aliens of any different group, or any combination
of groups all together, do we have operating on this planet at the present
Q: (L) OK, how many Lizzies are operating on the planet?
Q: (L) OK, how many Oranges?
Q: (L) How many grays?
Q: (L) This is not a pretty picture! (J) No s**t. (L) Are most
of these inhabiting alternate dimensions or densities most of the time?
I mean, it would be kind of crowded otherwise!
A: Back and forth. And others.
(L) We have here some drawings of supposed alien servants. This one right
here is called a Rigelian servant. It's a proto-synthezoid, in other words,
a cyber-genetic. Is this an accurate representation of this being, and
does this being actually exist? Figure
Q: (L) Well, that's friendly. Now, this one here... (T) Oh,
lightning bolt man!. (L) Does this one actually exist? This mutative clone
form? (Figure 2)
Q: (L) OK,
now this one is a real pleasant looking fellow... (Figure
A: Yes. Occupies Dulce base.
Q: (L) (Reading) "This is a cloned synthezoid
form," in other words a cybergenetic, "whose specific job is to act as
controllers. They are plus or minus four feet tall." This is, I think,
your standard gray. It's just that the drawing is kind of crappy- looking.
(T) Wait, the face... the eyes are smaller on the thing but the face is
a lot like the one in the Autopsy film. OK, now, this is what they call
a replica. (Reading) "They are proto-synthezoid form of human whose specific
job is as a special outside agent. Observation: Face and body change shape
at will." This is like in the X-File thing where the guy... the shape
changer. Is this a correct concept? Is this basically a... I mean of course
you have to draw them in an ambiguous way... (Figure
Q: (L) OK, these are the servants from Zeta Reticuli One...
this is another version of the one. I would also assume that these are
the servants at the Dulce base? (Figure 5)
Q: (L) What are these guys?
Q: (L) OK, these are floaters.
(T) Floaters? As in how floaters? (L) I would say it was like somebody
in a job... (TK) Trouble shooters, they go from place to place... (L)
OK, these are real friendly looking. .. I love these guys! The THROOB!
(T) Are these the little short stubby blues that Whitley was into.. (L)
Plus or minus four feet tall... Yeah, I think so. It says here "They are
originally from the Draco Constellation and their job is to complete research.
They are plus or minus four feet tall. Are these accurately represented
here, both in terms and drawing? (Figure
Q: (T): Are these the ones that Whitley Strieber has seen?
Q: (L) OK, now, the degenerative clone form, which is the bottom
photograph, is this also an accurate representation? (Figure
Q: (L) What is the color of the skin of these friendly-
looking little guys?
Q: (L) OK, I think there may be one more...
Ha, ha! Are you guys ready for this one? This is a Cassiopaean! (T) Well,
I don't think that's a Cassiopaean! (J) Let me see... Oh, lovely! (T)
Cassiopaea, I couldn't find a star called Cassiopaea... (L) There isn't.
(T) Well, I know that. (L) OK, this is one called a race of insectoids
from Cassiopaea, whose specific job is genetic research. Is this an accurate
description and drawing of this critter? (Figure
Q: (T): Is Cassiopaea a star? (L) No. (T) What is Cassiopaea?
(L) It's a constellation. (T) I know it's a constellation, but they say
they're from Cassiopaea. You can't be from Cassiopaea...
(L) Are these guys coming here?
A: All are already.
Q: (L) OK, hang on...
(T): What about the one below? What's the one below? (L) Well, that's
just a biological android. "The Nordics and Oranges normally use inorganic,
high-tech servants." Is this an accurate representation of an inorganic,
high-tech... (Figure 9)
What are all the hieroglyphics? (L) It's supposed to be one of their alien
languages. What does this business say here?
Q: (L) It's scrambled.
So it's a combination of the various different languages they have back
Q: (L) Somebody just put the various different symbols together,
because it looks like two or three different languages. OK, well, that
answered those questions. (TK) Doesn't seem to me like there's too much
to worry about... (T) It's all supposed to be fun! (TK) Seems to me it's
something you've got to take as it comes, and deal with it!