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May. 31st, 2008 @ 03:00 am Oh no! Not another Newbie!
current mood: curiouscurious
Hello, all! I'm Meg, and I have been searching for some decent UFO groups on LJ. I am not an abductee (that I know of, anyway) but I have massive respect for those who have been abducted. I honestly don't think I could live through one; all of those pictures and drawings of the "Grays" scare the crap out of me! I'm very interested in the subject however, both personally and professionally. I have had a UFO sighting (it didn't amount to too much, just a light in the sky that was doing things that planes cannot), and I am an aspiring novelist. I've been told that I write "Urban Paranormal Fiction". I am bound and determined to write about an abduction; the more that it is introduced into popular culture, the more acceptance will blossom for the whole phenomena. Anyway, just wanted to say hello!
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Hello Cthulhu
May. 6th, 2008 @ 07:05 pm I hope this is okay..
current mood: blahblah
current music: smashing pumpkins

Share thoughts, opinions, questions.
Recommend movies, books.
Rant and rave, whatever!
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[Misc] Candle Light
Feb. 28th, 2008 @ 02:08 am New in the news.
A few years after my experience, I discovered Mysterious Universe and am now addicted to the stories... if you haven't listened to it, it's "A Podcast and Blog covering Future Science, UFO’s, Ancient History and the Paranormal."

One thing that draws me to it so often is that Benjamin Grundy, the host, still manages to sound so full of wonder about each encounter he reports. He has a fair dose of skepticism, but he's never belittling.

I haven't caught up with all the episodes, but I'm looking forward to them. Seems like there's always something going on.

My question: Do you keep up with current UFO happenings? What are your sources? Favorite links, magazines, etc?
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spirit in the wires- unkown artist
Feb. 22nd, 2008 @ 06:09 pm
current mood: contemplativecontemplative
I know this community isn't very active, but I'm looking for others who've had similar experiences and hope that this is a place to begin.

I write about everything, so the following is what I wrote in my journal directly after it happened:

Date: July 4, 2003
Location: Fredricksburg, Virginia

Felt like I was on a rollarcoaster, only I couldn't move and was laying flat and the sensation tickled through me slowly. It felt like something in me was pulled upwards, leaving my body behind. The first time it happened, I remember wondering if it could be a dream. I was frightened, couldn't move and bleary bodies were moving around me. I couldn't hear what they were saying. I kept thinking this is a dream this is a dream, you have to wake up. I lifted my head a little, but it was so heavy.. After a few minutes of that, I finally did come to. Fell back into my body. There was a light in the window. I began to drift off again and quickly, the same upward sensation took me. This time I could see a bit better, could almost struggle to lift my head and arm. One said "You are stronger this time" I said my name for some reason and they said "No, ____" I can't remember the name. Then my finger lifted and bent into a sign. Then I'm back.

A doodle of what I remember that I did a year or so later while meditating on the experience:

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I wasn't asleep, in fact I had been feeling wide awake and had just sat down in bed. But I'll still be the first to admit that I'm not sure what happened. I never mistake dreams for reality so I have a hard time brushing it off. I think the fear I was feeling is what keeps sticking with me. It's not impossible that it was some kind of night terror, but if so, I wish I could let it go and stop obsessing.

Any way, I'm Kay... pleased to meet you.
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spirit in the wires- unkown artist
Nov. 29th, 2006 @ 07:30 pm A question...
.. I'm just wondering. In the event that Budd Hopkins never answers me (I emailed him a couple of days ago), how can I go about finding someone near me that can help me in my situation? I mean, okay so I don't have scoop marks. However, lately I've been having LOTS of feelings lately and getting so "out of it" that I'll start to grab a dangerous chemical to drink instead of my tea. Tonight's flavor was nail polish remover. And, eh. I dunno. I'm sure there are other things, but I'm kinda foggy atm and can't think of 'em.

I mainly just want to know if I really was contacted and if I'm being pestered and by whome. And what happened, right?? Maybe there's nothing you can do about it physically, but it's nice to know.
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teacher/.9 points
Nov. 25th, 2006 @ 08:27 pm New member
Hi there... Just thought I'd introduce myself. My name is Kat, but most folks call me Blue or Spearcarrier. I joined this list because I can't seem to find any "serious" professionals who aren't interested in profit so much as helping others. It isn't that I'm an abductee so much as I might be, or my boyfriend might be. My life has been a pretty strange one, so when the "encounter" happened a few months ago I started looking for some answers and haven't found any.

Anyway, hello. *waves*
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inside of me (past life)
Aug. 17th, 2006 @ 09:51 am Update on news and Taken.
Hi there,

A week ago I just finished watching the entire series Taken from S. Spielberg. It is a TV series of 10 episodes starting with the Roswell crash and into present time. There is a lot of human stories there, more than the interesting ET and UFO phenomena. In that series the ETs are actually kind of genetically orienting us for given purposes.

Now, something a little different, but related. There is an article that is just appearing in the scientific journal NATURE about the gene responsible for the development of the cerebral cortex of humans. The cerebral cortex is the outer part of the brain that is responsible for our high intelect, it is larger by a factor of 3 to that of apes. As biologist have been able to identify the human genome they know which part of the genome is responsible for our large cerebral cortex. They found out that while this gene has changed only twice over a period of 100s of millions of years (say between the chicken and the ape), it changed 18 times between the apes and us! They cannot explain why the genetic change happened 70 times faster than normal. It was already mentioned in books that our own skull is actually too small for our larger cortex, and this is the reason why our cortex has kind of ripples, as to accomodate to less room inside our skull. It seems to me that our cortex has grown faster than our skull allowed us, the skull has been growing more slowly apparently.

For me this is the proof that we have been genetically manipulated by aliens. This is one of the reason they have been visiting us for many millions of years and are still visiting us, we are their experiment, and they have managed to do with us something almost as advanced as what they are...

I have posted the news on my LJ if someone is interested. Of course that piece of news does not speculate that it is all about aliens altering our evolution, but it is my interpretation.
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Jul. 28th, 2006 @ 02:57 pm Sweet Sweet Aliens
hi everyone..I see most of u are in holiday I guess..I wish I could too :) anyway im happy to find a community like this.Im believing in UFOs since I know myself.sometimes Im having some dreams about that I might be abducted but I can never be sure of it..

It is really nice to see honest and reliable people here because these kind of stuff is always hard to speak and people want u to prove it..but sometimes (actually most of the time) u dont have enough proof but u feel that u live it..

anyway I hope I told my thoughts right :)

take care of urselves everyone

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Jul. 10th, 2006 @ 03:45 pm Another "paralysis"
I just had another "dream" wherwe I felt paralyzed. I was inside a bubble and everything around me was pitch black... I hear voices of children singing the most beautiful songs. I could hear them talking. But I could not see. I saw the blurry shape of earth on the distance --- far beyond any airplane could take me - and I kind of got afraid. I touche d the bubble with a finger and it wobbled like a gigantic soap bubble and then regained its shape. At this point I decided I wanted to awake, and I made a gigantic effort to do so, with luck. I had trouble staying awake for around 5-10 minutes. When the density vanished, when my eyes no longer weighed like iron, I went to sleep happily.

I understand these situacions to be induced by someone, ET's or ontradimensional. They were trying to show me something outside our earth but I always end the experience by an effort of my will.

What do you think???
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May. 19th, 2006 @ 09:37 am An interesting book
This is about a book written by a friend. I found it inspiring and very interesting, I thought I'll share this info with you so you can check it out on the web for yourself.

You might remember, long ago I might have mentioned this site as the site of a scientist who does not deny alien visitation (that aliens might be visiting us). This same friend (actually an electronic friend, as I never met him in person) has now published a book about many spiritual and paranormal experiences (which in religion people relate to God) - such NDE (near death experience), premonitions, visions, meditation, ... even Kabbalah. .. and how this relates to the present theories of Physics (e.g. parallel universe, multidimension in string and M-brane theories, etc..).Some of the Near Death Experiences are in a way similar to experiences of alien abduction. Under the theory presented in this book, it could well be that aliens have access to a higher consciousness and higher (say) dimensions... as so they might related to the beings of Light seen during Near Death Experience. Though this is not addressed directly in this book, I found the book very interesting and helpfull to put a global picture of our place (as human) in this world, as related to possible advanced extra-terrestrial aliens.

So that friend is Bernard Haisch and info on his book can be found at:

his site on ufo is with a link to his professional scientific web page.

I hope some of you will enjoy that. His UFO link has many links to stories of abductions.
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Feb. 2nd, 2006 @ 12:00 pm Question...
This is my first time posting in this community, and with most things I consider myself to be a skeptic, but I did have a rather bizarre experience (actually, there's two) that I'd like to get some feedback on.

As some background, I've pretty much believed in aliens since around the age of four or five. I was always afraid to sleep in my own room in complete darkness, as most kids are, but I never knew why. Now, I don't know if this was just a nightmare, the product of an overactive imagination or what, but this is what led me to believe that something had tried to "get" me while I was in bed.

My memories of this are very hazy, but I knew even at that age that something wierd had taken place, unless it was just a nightmare. I had seen some kind of flashing lights outside my window, and was very frightened. A "stick" of some nature, which I remember as being just a long, brown, almost branch-like thing being stuck through my window. It didn't break the glass, and it was reaching for me. I remember nothing else.

The next experience, which I remember much more fully, occured about a year and a half ago, perhaps a bit more, but no more than two years.

It was around 11 o'clock at night, and I was sitting in my bed, having trouble falling asleep. I saw outside my window what looked like police lights, like a group of police cars blocking off my street, between my and my neighbor's house. I looked outside, wondering why so many police cars were here, what was going on. It didn't appear as though they were normal police cars, it was like it was some kind of larger van (at least that's what I tried to rationalize in my mind). I watched intentely, and it was as though there were not a cluster of cars, but that they were more of a single unit. I couldn't really tell. Then things became progressively more and more bizarre.

A "hatch" if you will, opened, of which I thought "maybe it's just a van door), but I know it wasn't. It opened downward, and people came out and started to walk in the area between my neigbor's houses across the street, where there's a cable box. They were all dressed in cover-all suits, which looked whitish, and I thought maybe they were Comcast service people or something like that. I couldn't make out their faces, even though they were they were only about 150 feet away. I had no idea what was going on, and was incredibly scared, probably the most frightened I've ever been in my entire life. I had had the T.V. in my room on, and it suddenly stopped working and turned to static grey "fuzz". This further cemented my rationalization that they were only Comcast people, but why did they have lights? Why were they dressed alike?

I walked around to my parents' and sister's room, thinking I maybe should wake them up, I was so scared I had no idea what to do. Part of me wanted to just go outside and find out just what the hell was going on.

Eventually, I got back in bed and watched the lights continue to flash through my curtains. I don't remember what happened after that, if I ever saw them leave or anything. I'm not sure what time I went to sleep at.

To further on the police lights thing, having seen them since then, they weren't the same even. Police lights flash rapidly, and with red, white, blue, orange, and are almost kind of pretty. These lights moved a bit slower, and it was like they were "chaser" lights, moving around what grew to look more and more like a circular object sitting in the middle of my street.

This bothers me all the time, and everytime I go to bed at night, I continually look at my window. I don't know. Someone tell me what they think.
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Dec. 8th, 2005 @ 02:14 pm REPTILIAN REVELATIONS


Are you looking for a space to talk about, discuss, and read about aliens, reptilians, outer space, origins of humans, the bible, and any and all ideas surrounding these sorts of issues?

Please visit and check out the site to see the things we are discussing. Join, and add your own ideas and thoughts to the group! They are looking for open-minded people willing to step outside their learned biases to take an honest look at the idea of aliens, what their existence means to us, and how they may have been interacting with humans for centuries.

x-posted to a few places.
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Oct. 29th, 2005 @ 05:25 pm Uh, hi....
I'm new here. :) I found this an interesting read:

The Mars Records: Interview with Michael and Stephanie Relfe

by Eve Lorgen ©2000

The Mars Records, authored by Stephanie Relfe, is a 300-plus page document (See chronicling the biofeedback sessions of her husband Michael who discovered he had been involved in a secret black project while in the Navy. Michael was astonished to find that he had been living a double life as a covert operative for The Mars Defense Force. Some of his assignments were covert ops, piloting spacecraft, remote viewing, psychic defense and even psychic assassinations.

Michael's recruitment, training and service for Mars Defense Force was carried out via sophisticated alien and military mind control technology. This included implants, hypno-programming, dissociation of specifically trained alter personalities, advanced psi training, speed learning, psi enhancing drugs and time travel. Michael's case is unique and very important because he is one of a very handful of persons who have been able to clear, recall and deprogram the sophisticated alien and military mind programming. His success in memory retrieval and deprogramming is due to deliverance prayer and the excellent therapeutic skills of his wife, Stephanie Relfe. She uses a combination of biofeedback clearing sessions and kinesiology .

Michael still experiences abductions by an alien and human military element working conjointly. But because of his level of therapeutic success with deliverance, clearing and kineisiology, Michael has a greater sense of personal control, awareness and is not as susceptible to the mind control that the abductors continue to try to use on him.

Many researchers in the field of Ufology, Paranormal and Mind Control have a tendency to view things as a black and white picture. Either all abductions are some military black project using aliens as a cover story, or it's all aliens, because we don't have such a high level of technology. Such is not the case in Michael's experience, or in many other MILAB abductees that I have interviewed.

I strongly encourage the reader to read the full Mars Records document. If this is true-- and I think it is--we are dealing with such a high level of "alien" technology, that to gain control back into our lives, we need to do a lot of soul searching work.

MR: - Michael R.

SR: Stephanie Relfe

EL: Eve Lorgen

EL: Michael, as a child did you experience any UFO sightings or signs of alien abduction?

MR: With the exception of the incident described in The Mars Records, I have no memories of any UFO sightings, alien abductions or missing time. That one incident (childhood UFO dream) has always "stuck" in my mind because it was so real. While growing up I asked my parents about it several times and they just said I must have been dreaming.

EL: Do you think that the surfacing of your Mars Defense Ops is somehow related to this earlier UFO "dream"?

MR: Yes, I feel that the emotional "charge" or energy associated with that incident eventually led me to accept a clearing session offered by Stephanie to see if anything could be discovered. Little did we know what we would find.

EL: Stephanie, can you tell us briefly how Clearing sessions work?

SR: Clearing uses (1) a biofeedback meter which measures one level below consciousness and (2) specific rules and techniques for communicating which enable a person's mind to uncover the TRUTH of what is the cause of their upsets and problems.

The meter puts a small, harmless electrical current through the person's body. The mind and body interact. By measuring changes in the body's resistance, the meter measures changes in the person's mind.

Emotional upset comes from things that happened to us in the past. The upset is stored as energy, "charge", in the mind. It is stored in a mind called the "unconscious mind" which is why we can't access these memories normally. With the help of the clearing practitioner and the meter, a person can consciously get to find out what is in his unconscious mind.

We get rid of this charge in clearing by creating a PERFECT COPY of it. Two things cannot exist in the same place at the same time. With the help of the bio meter and the clearing practitioner, the hidden memories come into view. Once the person creates a perfect copy, the original charge vanishes. This causes their mind to be "lighter". This reads on the meter as an instantaneous change in their body. And the person realizes finally what has been going on.

The Mars Records is very different from any other book previously published in that it includes all the readings from the meter as well as an explanation as to what they mean. The readings back up the truth of this incredible story.

Also, the application of kinesiology muscle testing. The basis of kinesiology is that the body is an electrical instrument and the brain is a very powerful computer. The computer is sending signals to all the muscles and back again. Muscle testing isolates a particular muscle by putting an arm in a particular position. The kinesiologist can then "talk" directly to the brain and ask it different questions. Depending on the answer, the person being tested either will or won't be able to hold their arm up, which is how the brain communicates to us.

EL: Stephanie, why do you think this particular combination is better than hypnosis in recovering repressed memories?

SR: The problem with hypnosis is that is works by shutting the conscious mind down. This does not help the person to grow in spiritual strength and understanding. Rather, the opposite. Once the person is hypnotized, more "stuff" is put into the unconscious mind.

We want ALL the memories to become conscious, and to clear the charge from them. This causes an increase in the person's spiritual strength.

EL: Have you ever worked with other abductees or mind control victims with repressed memories?

SR: Not with clearing. With kinesiology I have had about 10 people out of several hundred that had had experiences. Some of these people knew about it, others didn't. Some could handle what I told them, others couldn't. It is amazing what one discovers about someone with kinesiology. For example, I was working on one woman who had incredible sleeping problems. She was very "blocked" and almost impossible to test, which is most unusual. I began to suspect abduction. It turned out her problems started the day she woke up at 2 am, and found her little girl outside on the doorstep (freezing cold), which was "impossible" because the little girl was too small to reach the door handle.

Another woman I worked on had no problem accepting that she had been abducted. She was quite psychic. While working on a problem to do with a pain in her leg, an incident surfaced. She told me that she had 24 hours of missing time, when she and her boyfriend rode on a bike up north along 300 miles of deserted road in Queensland, Australia. They felt like lying down beside the road. When they go to the New Year's party they were going to, it was all over. They were a day later! Her boyfriend was in a huge rage, and left her then and there. Using the communication techniques from clearing (but without the meter) she relived an incident where men in black clothes came for them both and took them onto a spaceship. Insectoids that looked like human sized praying mantises worked on them before returning them to the original spot.

EL: Michael, you mentioned in the Mars Records that you used deliverance prayer sessions even before you met Stephanie. What made you decide to try this method?

MR: Deliverance is the "casting out" or removing of evil spirits from a person who does NOT want them there. Witches and magicians WANT to have evil spirits inside them, which is how they obtain their "power". Christians do NOT want evil spirits as they hinder and stop spiritual growth and progress.

Deliverance is a gift from the Lord Jesus Christ for HIS people. It is NOT for the unbelieving public at large. The Bible refers to deliverance as the "Children's Bread". In 1983 when I was living in Tulsa, Oklahoma, I believed in God but was not living a Christian life and did not have a close walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. In one of my newsletters that exposed the Illuminati, the author had a couple of tapes on offer by a preacher named Win Worley. One was titled, "Mass Deliverance". This tape was a recording of a group deliverance service at a small Baptist church near Chicago. When listening to this tape, I was unprepared for what happened. I listened to the sermon and explanation of terms. I participated in the prayers that the preacher led the group through. I felt that "something" happened but I did not know what. Then the preacher started calling a list of names of demons (lust, jealousy, hatred, etc. there were many of them) and ordered them to leave the people. Immediately I felt VERY strange and "things" started leaving me. Burping, belching, tears, coughing, dry heaves, etc. I just kept participating and praying in my head for anything "bad" to leave me. This went on for about an hour. By the time the tape was over I felt VERY different. The initial session (and many more after) enabled me to get free enough from the holds of the enemy to start walking a Christian life.

EL: Do you think that your Mars--mind control and abductions memories would have surfaced in the Clearing sessions if you had NOT done deliverance first?

MR: No. At the time of starting deliverance in 1983, I was too bound up and enslaved to whatever programming I was given in the Navy to ever consider that I actually needed help. It took 13 years of God working on me for me to be ready for clearing. You must remember that not everyone involved in TRV (Tactical Remote Viewing) is chosen for target termination. It takes a certain personality to be effective as an assassin. I was cold, hard and arrogant.

EL: Why do you think you were recruited for the Mars Defense Force while in the Navy in 1976?

MR: It appears that I have been a "lab rat" all my life. Modifications were made to my father, which resulted in me. Modifications (genetic) were made to me at a young age and while growing up. Somewhere along the way I was encouraged (programmed) to join the Navy. The government knew my psychological profile. My father was physically abusive and a problem drinker ( probably because of what they did to him). When I joined the Navy, I was very dedicated and "gung-ho". I substituted the government and the discipline and order for the lack of father figure in my life.

I was selected for the Nuclear Power Program after missing one question on the entrance test. I attended basic electronics school at Great Lakes, IL. During the waiting time for Nuclear Power School, I was assigned as an "instructor assistant". It was during this time I was awakened one night, led to another room and asked if I wanted to VOLUNTEER for a top-secret project. I accepted (they knew I would because of my "special patriotism"). The Mars Records details what happened next.

To answer your question, I was recruited because I have a genetically based talent for Remote Viewing that the government wanted to exploit for its own purposes.

EL: Michael, can you describe some of the training you went through to enhance your psychic abilities? In the Mars Records you describe a type of speed learning used on other Mars Base recruits too. What was this like?

MR: From what I have been able to recall, it was a structured program broken down into different phases. Even after being moved to active duty, training was still a constant requirement. It started very slow and easy in the beginning. There were a lot of different medical tests and collecting of data to get an idea of my health, strength, etc. The preliminary tests were done and I was subject to certain drugs to enhance my talent. These drugs can kill and cause permanent damage so they are done slowly over a period of weeks. I believe these drugs made permanent changes in the brain and "opened up" certain energy channels, circuits, etc. After surviving the drugs, more tests are given to see the results of the drugs. Then different speed learning techniques are used to program a lot of information in a short period of time. Then training moves on to "the machines". These machines are amplifiers of Psi abilities. There was some type of surgically inserted "interface" device implanted in my "third eye" area to allow connection to these machines. There is constant training with the machines as well as calibrations, exercises and tests.

EL: Are you aware of any alter personalities?

MR: Clearing and Kinesiology procedures have uncovered 4 "compartments" each sealed off from the others that have various trainings and duties. We refer to the "real" me as Michael # 1. The others are Michael # 2, Michael # 3, and Michael #4. These compartments are sealed with various codes and passwords that we do not have.

EL: Do you think these alter personalities were created through trauma, as is described by other MC victims such as Andy Pero (of Project Superman-Montauk boy) and Bryce Taylor (Thanks for the Memories-- Monarch Program)?

MR: No. I believe that Psi abilities for these programs are rare and that any trauma could damage the ability. Trauma is old technology. The machines and techniques these people have are hundreds of years beyond that. Remember that I volunteered for this program. I was a willing candidate, serving my country as best as I could.

EL: Michael, your case is interesting in that there are characteristics of both alien abduction related symptomology and signs of MK ultra mind control. I think it's important for others to know that these "experiences" are not an either/or situation, but rather a combination of alien, military and human involvement. Can you describe some of the "booby traps" you encountered before recovering memories? And importantly, who installed these booby traps?

MR: The outer layers of the "booby traps" were commands to forget, not remember, etc. Next were commands that were distractions that would try to lead us off on a tangent. The next layers were the traps that would hurt me, i.e., heart attack, stroke, organ failures, etc. These traps were installed by whomever did the initial mind programming many years ago.

EL: Stephanie, how did you help Michael get through these "booby traps"?

SR: We found them first by knowing that they would be there. (It only makes sense) Then I muscle tested to see if there were any "booby traps". The body told me that there were at least ten. We then used the "Wernicke's correction" to remove them. It is generally known that research has shown that words are stored in a specific area of the brain. What is not so well known is that there is an equivalent area in the right half of the brain which is also involved with language. Both these areas are called the Wernicke's area.

Experiments have shown that if the Wernicke's area in the left half of the brain is electrically stimulated during speech, it will interfere with the ability to talk properly, almost halting speech. The same type of stimulation to the Wernicke's area in the right brain, however, causes a person to hear "voices" or "commands". These are usually of an authoritarian or dictatorial nature, and can be identified as the voice of one who was feared, admired or looked up to by the person being stimulated. The "authorities" who might have put commands into this mind are anyone that we might have looked up to at sometimes. These can include parents, teachers, peers, politicians, and doctors-and aliens. Have you ever been told to "grow-up", "shut-up", "forget that" or "give up"? Have you ever been told "you're mad", "you're bad", "you're stupid" or "you'll never make it"?

If somebody you thought was powerful or important said "you're too fat", "you'll never change", "you'll forget", "don't trust anyone", "you're not good enough", "you'll go to hell" etc., then they may have made an "entry" in your right Wernickes's area, an implanted command, which is still influencing you to this day!

In the case of people who have suffered an abduction experience, the commands have often been implanted INTENTIONALLY with force or drugs to lock them in more securely. Commands such as "you will forget", and "this never happened" and "you dreamed all this" are reasons why the victims have no conscious memory of the event. Booby traps are commands such as "you will have a heart attack if you remember."

In 1996 an Australian kinesiologist David Bridgeman made an astounding discovery. He realized how to remove negative beliefs and commands from the brain! The key to removing these beliefs is that they are stored in the brain as through another person said them, e.g. "You won't remember". The brain then tries to make sense of a command and translates it, for example, as "I won't remember". This command then interferes with the person. To get rid of the command you must find the EXACT wording of the command, which in this case is, "YOU won't remember". The specific procedure developed by David Bridgeman enables a person to REMOVE the sabotaging commands from the brain. Instant improvement is generally noted in the person who has done this.

This is a simple, revolutionary, and very powerful procedure. If you are interested, send e-mail to me at mentioning the Wernicke's video and I'll put you on a list to be notified when we have produced a video teaching this technique. In the meantime, the technique is described in the Mars Records.

EL: I know from my own experiences working with abductees, that many distractions and even reprisals occur when they try to access their alien "programming" and abduction memories. How did both of you get around these roadblocks, and did you experience any major reprisals?

MR: We have received psychic attacks fairly often since The Mars Records were released. These attacks take the form of surveillance, monitoring and blocking of clearing sessions, energy "drains" being hooked into each of us, offensive attacks meant to hurt us using radionics, psychotronics and various "death signal" devices as well as RV and psychic attacks while sleeping.

In addition, during the monthly "medical check-up" abductions different techniques are tried to discourage us. Such as multiple layers to mind control commands, multiple layers of drugs as well as a new thing, putting the equivalent drug directly into the "etheric" body. This is especially bad, as most people don't' even know they have energy bodies!

EL: One of the most unbelievable aspects of your story is the age regression and time travel you experienced. What was this like?

MR: The age regression was pure boredom. Being kept in a dreamlike, semi-conscious state for weeks was very boring. That's the only memory I have been able to recall. The 20-year time jump back to 1976 was over before it began. Walking through the tunnel was uneventful.

EL: Tell me about the time travel jumpgates.

MR: I was not a jumpgate technician so I only remember things from a layman's point of view. This technology was a result of the Philadelphia Experiment projects as described by Dr. Al Bielek. It's one of those things that are "Ohh, Wow, Fantastic" the first time you see them, and then they become taken for granted. I also remember that they were guarded REALLY tight and that every moment of use was accounted for and logged.

I remember that there were several jumpgate stations on Mars Base. These stations were "hooked to" other places and they were defended against someone or something. I remember that RV technicians hooked to the machines assisted in that defense. Remember that Tactical Remote Viewing is not only used to terminate targets. Termination is a tiny percentage of all operations. It is used mostly to defend against the enemy. It is used to defend Very Important People (VIP's), Very Important Equipment (VIE's), areas and regions of the planet. In addition, some weapons systems require an RV operator to monitor and direct them. There are physical weapons systems (example like a particle beam projector) and there are other types of weapons that are energetic (Psi) types of systems. Also RV operators are commonly assigned to monitor attack craft on patrol.

The enemy also has Psi types of weapons systems that they direct against our physical type static shielding. Static shielding doesn't change. It stays the same no matter what you throw at it. To augment the static shielding, you have RV operators that monitor and probe the shields looking for penetration. If penetration is discovered, an RV operator can trace the source through space-time and deal with the intruder. RV operators on duty are not alone. They have backup operators in addition to supervisor operators, They can instantaneously get backup if the need arises. I have seen many ads for books and courses for remote viewing. Most of what passes for RV at this time is about the first 3 or 4 days of training at Mars Base. And most people involved in this sort of thing would, unfortunately never survive the training. The drugs would kill them quick.

EL: One has to wonder then, what could or would have happened if your future Michael who was working on Mars, somehow came into contact with the present day Michael (on earth) before 1996?

MR: This would NEVER be allowed to happen. The program works the way it does because NO ONE on duty (who will eventually be times hot back to their origin) is permitted to interact with any time event (or person) of earth while stationed on Mars Base. That means that visitors and VIP's are OFF limits. Anyone visiting for a short period is "spending time" on Mars and will NOT be time shot back to their origin. They will just be moved by jumpgate to and from Mars.

To clarify: Remember there are 2 kinds of people that I remember.

1. People visiting Mars temporarily (Politicians, etc.) They travel to and from Mars by jumpgate. They visit for a few weeks and return. They are not time traveled back. They are VIP's. They are OFF LIMITS!!

2. Permanent staff, They spend 20 years duty cycle. At the end of their duty cycle they are age reversed and time shot back to their space-time origin point. They are sent back with memories blocked. They are sent back to complete their destiny on earth.

EL: Did you recall any "future memories" or strange dreams (before your clearing sessions) of your Mars Defense Base deployment? (In other words, any signs of you being an operative via dreams, hunches, de ja vu's etc.

MR: Only one. Before ever meeting Stephanie, I had an ongoing "joke" that when someone asked about my military experience, I would say "... and I deny working on the Mars Colony". It would always get a laugh. I believe that this was one of the first and strongest mind control commands "leaking through".

EL: What could one look for if they suspect they are in such a position like you were. I mean there must be others involved who have had similar experiences?


1. Memories that don't seem quite "right". Memories that have a 2 dimensional "cartoon like" feel to them.

2. Interest in or understanding of technical things that you can't remember going to school for.

3. Military records showing duty at places that you can't remember.

4. Unusual rage as a result of abductions.

5. Abduction or missing time. Waking up extremely exhausted with marks or bruises on any part of your body.

6. Muscle testing showing that the body has been "taken".

7. Muscle testing showing emotions of "no choice".

EL: Do you think the Greys are working in conjunction with our own human military in the abduction scenario?

MR: Yes

EL: What about the Reptilians?

MR: Yes. They are racially related (Draconians, Reptilians, Greys,)

EL: Do any Greys and Reptilians live on the Mars Base?

MR: Yes, some are stationed there. I remember the Greys as doctors or technicians. I believe the Reptilians stay camouflaged (cloaked) most of the time. They prefer to appear human because they are naturally fierce looking.

EL: One of the more fascinating and disturbing aspects of your experience is the mention of aliens or "bad guy mind controllers" fragmenting the soul and personality of the abductee. How do you think this is done, and what purpose do you think the aliens have for us?

MR: Soul fragmentation is mentioned in the Bible. Several times people are praying and thanking God for restoring their soul. I know that shock and trauma can cause soul fragmentation. Those involved in the occult have their own souls fragmented by their rituals and other involvements. Any severe act of sin, (witchcraft, Satan worship, Masonic ritual, homosexuality, violence against other people, etc) can fragment the sinner's soul as well as the victim. I do not know the mechanisms for how this is accomplished. The reason for their programs is clearly explained in the Bible. The ultimate goal of all programs of mind control and enslavement is WORSHIP. Lucifer wants to be God and will do anything to trick, convince or control others to worship him. Everything else is detail.

EL: Do they have a method for draining our energy?

MR: Yes. They place a psychic "hook" into the person and drain their energy. They do it slowly so as not to arouse suspicion.

(EL-Maybe this is one of the reasons for chronic fatigue amongst so many abductees!)

EL: Most importantly, how can other abductees and mind control victims protect themselves from this kind of thing?


1. Step one is to establish a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Without His help, there will be no lasting freedom from the demonic armies of the enemy.

2. Repair your body of the damage that has been done to it. Drink pure water only. No fluoride toothpaste. No MSG. Eat nothing containing aspartame. No candy, no liquid candy (soft drinks). No alcohol. Eat only good fats and oils (olive oil and butter). No microwaved food. Remove mercury fillings from your teeth.

3. Use kinesiology to put your body back in balance.

4. Use a colon cleanse to clean out the accumulated garbage in your system.

5. Do a parasite cleanse to kill the parasites in your colon.

6. Use the clearing biofeedback meter to uncover and eliminate the results of any abduction or involvement in mind control programs.

EL: Michael, in retrospect, do you think you ever would have recalled your memories had you not done deliverance and clearing sessions?

MR: No. Without the power of the Lord Jesus Christ, there is no deliverance. These people have technology THOUSANDS of years ahead of anything you can think of in your wildest nightmare. They think they are invincible and in total control. You will not fight these people with technology or your own "psychic" abilities.

Here I am, an ex-operative for these people, with in the field combat experience utilizing Remote Viewing for tactical operations. I have a high Psi efficiency, "raw horsepower" if you will, so much so that my final target termination count was 70 terminations. Some of these were reptilians. And I survived those operations. When operational, I was VERY good at my job. NONE of the so-called "big name" remote viewers would last a microsecond against me. And that's a fact.

And all this "accomplishment" means NOTHING. They are in control of my physical body and they "shut me down" like an old television. They aren't worried by "powers" and abilities". If they aren't worried about me they probably aren't worried about you. It's ONLY the power of God that can free a person from this kind of control. And that deliverance is given in God's timeframe as fast as he permits. It was my mistake that I volunteered for this program. I actually don't deserve to ever get out. It's only by the mercy of Jesus Christ that I have come this far and will continue on this path.

EL: Do you think you are still being abducted? How does this happen?

MR: Yes. The monthly "medical check-ups" continue. We will be sleeping when a jumpgate (portal) opens in our bedroom. They awaken me and trigger my programming. They say, "Come along Mr. Relfe" or something similar and I follow them through the portal. Most of the time it is a woman with short dark hair (like a pageboy cut). Once it was a soldier in the black battle dress utilities. During the clearing session I remember asking them questions and I threw them a kick at the soldier. I missed and hit the metal table and woke up the following morning with a large chunk taken out of my toenail.

It opens into some type of hospital like waiting area, where a nurse greets me, makes small talk and does a preliminary exam (blood pressure, etc.). I am then given a drug and led to a table on wheels. I am taken to the operating room where they give me more drugs and 1) take samples from my testicles, 2) they cut between my eyes and extract something from the organ that is there. I am then sent to the recovery area for a couple of hours. They then put these goggles or headgear over my eyes to insert the mind control commands. Then they leave me to recover from that procedure. Then they lead me back to the portal where I return to bed and continue sleeping. This last time (9/16/00) I awoke with a raging fever of 103 degrees. I had this for 5 days before starting to feel better. It's been 10 days and I am still not 100% better. Kinesiology showed that I had been "vaccinated" with something. I believe I was given a strong dose to make sure that I was immunized against whatever is coming. The effects were very painful.

EL; What do you think the UFO research and Mind Control community need to do to assist those who are going through MILAB experiences?

MR: These are 2 different communities. Remember that with almost 10,000 hits on our and with over 6000 downloads of the book, ONLY 5 PEOPLE have requested more information. For most people this is just entertainment and they aren't interested in helping anyone.

The Mind Control "community" is filled with "victims" who are so afraid of reading something that will be "triggering" that they isolate themselves from possible sources of help. They think that by talking amongst themselves that somehow their problems will vanish. I am here to tell you that it just won't happen. These people need deliverance and they need it now.


And as for the "UFO RESEARCH" community, they sell T-shirts and chase lights in the sky. UFO research is now a business and it is controlled and compartmentalized by the intelligence agencies. (EL-- I have to second you on that opinion!)

Inside the community is a small group of people that God has raised up to try to help abductees by giving them somewhere to turn. The problem is that when you are dealing with the demonic world and trying to do it without Jesus Christ, you are doomed to failure. Even though these people are trying to help as best they can, remember that HYPNOSIS CANNOT FIGHT HYPNOSIS. And if you do uncover memories, the damage done by the experience is NOT being removed. So the people are sometimes worse off than before.

EL: What do you see as lacking in today's researchers?

MR: I cannot judge any individual person, as I have not walked in their shoes. I can only say that the pro New Age/anti-Christian bias displayed by most UFO researchers is in fact their weakness. Until these researchers accept Jesus Christ as their boss and work to accomplish what He would have them do, they will continue to wander in the devils playground, never finding answers to their questions.

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Aug. 21st, 2005 @ 11:00 pm OBEs vs ABDUCTIONS
current mood: curiouscurious
They look the same at some point. So maybe, what we sometimes call and OBE is an abduction and viceversa.
I want to know if there are some people here that have dreams where they fly, go through walls and do thingg only aliens depicted during abductions can do.... It would be very interesting to analyze if some dreams are memories of abductions. Have you had some dreams that seem to be too real, a memory of an abduction? I would like to know.
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Aug. 1st, 2005 @ 09:03 pm
I had a new theory recently while studying physical geography. In my book, it said that there is possible evidence that life used to exist on Mars. It appears that there were rivers, which is possible evidence of H20, and where there's water, there's life, so it is possible that life used to exist on Mars, but doesn't anymore. Now, it appears to be barren land. Have you ever heard about the possibility of terraforming Venus? If we tweaked the atmosphere of Venus, perhaps someday, human beings would be able to live on Venus. In my opinion, the signs point to our ancient ancestors being superior to us intellectually & technologically. Something happened between then & now to explain the loss of knowledge, but that's another story. Do you think it could be possible that we once lived on Mars, destroyed it as it looks like we might do to Earth (explaining why Mars looks like it has been destroyed), but we had terreformed Earth & were able to transfer here before Mars was uninhabitable?

Another theory I have goes more into the explanation of the loss of knowledge between now & ancient times. This theory comes from countless ancient paintings, reliefs, cave paintings, tomb paintings, etc. of things that very much resemble rocket ships, airplanes, U.F.O.'s, etc. Most cave paintings & tomb paintings (like in Egypt & Mesopotamia, for example), are records of their way of living. They recorded everyday events & how they did things. Why would these spaceships & airplanes be among these recordings? Some might say that U.F.O.'s were visiting Earth even then, but it occured to me the other day that perhaps WE were responsible for this flying technology. We were an advanced civilization & we were flying in the skies & even in outer space. We ended up destroying our living conditions on Earth, most probably by war. Perhaps there was a nuclear war, or something similar, & we were no longer able to live on the surface of our planet. Those of the human race that were rich were able to pay to leave the planet (being that we had access to that technology in this theory), or those who were rich enough to own their own spacecraft (let's say this was as common as owning a private jet these days) were able to flee the planet. Many of the poor went underground where they survived until the Earth was inhabitable again (anyone ever seen a boy and his dog...kind of like that). There were underground cities where the civilization survived for thousands of years, perhaps, not even knowing that the surface existed, or did know, but wasn't sure if it was safe & was afraid to find out (sort of like we fear space now; the unknown). Our rich ancient ancestors who were able to flee in spacecraft were forced to be away from Earth for so long that their physical make-up changed dramatically, which meant that once the Earth was inhabitable again, they were unable to return b/c they were no longer fit for Earth's living conditions. That explains U.F.O.'s. It is our ancestors admiring the planet that they can no longer inhabit, longing to come home. The poor eventually came from underground & began again. What could explain the loss of knowledge is the possibility that the rich and middle class people might have been better educated than the poor in ancient times, & the rich & middle class were the ones that were able to flee, & never come back. The poor, which were undereducated, were unable to pass on the knowledge of technology, & that explains why we have lost the knowledge of our ancient ancestors. Wouldn't it be strange to think that these extraterrestrials we speak of were actually us?

Where did we come from? Endless theories, no facts.
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Aug. 1st, 2005 @ 12:58 pm Im new...this is my theory
current mood: pensivepensive
Hi this is the first community I've signed up with,I guess I'll introduce myself and share my theory with you. Im only 15 and live near london,england so excuse me if my theory is a little junior school and vague and perhaps even ridiculous in places. I've always been interested in the supernatural and also aliens although for a long time ive steered clear of anything to do with aliens as it started to scare me...sort of not scared but you know what i mean. I think ive seen a lot of suspected u.f.o's but it could quite well be me imagining it. Quick question can areoplanes have all different coloured lights? and do satalites have lights on them?
Anyway back to my theory...I think there was a race of aliens alive billions and billions of years ago much the same as us to begin with. I think they advanced in technology and were finally able to master space travel. As they did this our planet was already starting to evolve and by the time this race reached our planet the most intelligent beings on it were the apes. I think the aliens did something to the apes to make them much more intelligent(because there is a place in darwins theory of evolution that just does'nt quite fit where we suddenly got really intelligent)i think the aliens made us and then left us to get on with it but did leave behind what you might call surveliance cameras:the pyramids,an unexplained phenomena.They also point to different planets and stars which could be like colonies of the alien empire or something. So i think everything was going well we were developing and advancing as they had hoped but them something happened to this race and they all died out apart from a few that were perhaps were traveling in space. I think this is where u.f.o's come into it,these aliens keep coming back to see what we are doing but cannot do anything to change it because there are only a few of them now. i think the aliens died out in the 20th century sometime and then after there was no one to look out for us we started to destroy ourselves and have been doing that ever since.
Wow that sounds stupid when i write it down. Oh well...what does anybody think?
please post a comment this is my first entry:)
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by agent00
Aug. 22nd, 2006 @ 12:41 pm
So, what is everyone's opinion on Whitley Strieber?
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Jul. 22nd, 2005 @ 07:56 am Two things...
current mood: HULKY
current music: U2: With or Without you, I can't leave
There are two things I wanted to post here.

First about that new book (or not so new?) "Above Black". If you do a search on yahoo you'll even be able to read part of that book online. It is the story of a man who learned (from the military) that his mom was abducted when she was pregnant and that he (at that time just an embrio) had undergone some genetical change to allow him to communicate with aliens by telepathy. The whole story seems so unrealistic, but if you read the book it seems more convincing. So I just wanted to share that info with you.

The other thing I wanted to mention is that some abductee stories are completely similar to OBE (our of body experience) and NDE (near death experience). In certain conditions, which could be from just sleeping all the way to almost dying in a car crash, many people have experience that suddently they floated up (and if they were attentif they saw their body still down there - usually unconscious) and then were attracted by a light up in the sky or ceiling. And then they met with a being who communicate with them by thought, usually a being of light emanating a lof energy and love. This phenomena is very real. You can check for more details on a web site such as (I think it is .org, if not .com). Anyway, I thought that some cases of abduction might have been NDE/OBE missinterpreted.

have a nice one!
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Jul. 21st, 2005 @ 06:58 am Any alien out there ?
Alien are apparently also somehow some of them among us. They might have been with us and guiding us for many many years. They might have been even introduced on the planet as Homo-Sapiens and would have slowly replaced the existing species Homo-Neandertalis.. who knows? Everything could be. It is a strange scenario but I believe there might be some true in it.

So has any of you been abducted or know some one who was?
Any alien among those who read these lines? Show yourself and say "hi". We'd like to know about you... :) WE like be know you and visit your planet (why not?)... and if there aren't any, then consider this just a wish.
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Jul. 16th, 2005 @ 03:25 pm
At last year's christmas party we had a really big game of hide and go seek with all the kids in the neighborhood. A friend of mine and i found a really good spot and we stayed there. We had ground rules - if you're not found in 20 mins come back to the shed. No one found us within 20 mins so we went back to the shed. When we got there everyone said we had been gone for ages, about an hour, maybe more.We got in heaps of trouble because it was snake season but how could this have happend, we thought it was only 20 mins.

I had forgotton about it completely but when i went back and read some of your entries it came back to me. Could we have been abducted?
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Jul. 14th, 2005 @ 04:09 pm
current mood: groundhogy
current music: Hey put your little hand in mine, there's no hill or mountai
I though you might enjoy that site:

it is a skeptical view about ufo, but intead of refuting the existence of ufo's it actually supports them. Skeptic here only means that it is viewed in a scientific way.

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Jul. 14th, 2005 @ 12:57 pm

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strawberry gashes
Jul. 14th, 2005 @ 11:58 am
Hi, I'm new to this community, so i'd like to introduce myself and ask a few questions.
I'm 14 (15 in a few weeks, yay! hehe) and i'm from a small town in rural Queensland, Australia. I have always been interested in space and all that kind of thing, when i was 12 i got a scholarship to go to the US space academy. i love planes, choppers, space craft and astronomy. However, i never really thought about aliens.
I have believed in the supernatural my whole life, maybe thats because I'm young, i dont know, i was never really against it or particularly interested but oneday something really made me believe that we're not alone. I was star gazing with a friend of mine last year and he always said that aliens didn't exist and only crazy people believed in them. Anyway, we were lying down on his front lawn seeing how many sattelites we could spot, we'd been there for about an hour and we saw something we knew weren't sattelites. There were 3 or 4 of them, at first we were like "wow! they're so close together!" but then they started moving in different directions, then they sped up a bit and moved away from each other. Alex said to me "those are no sattelites, their direction and speed changed, must have been planes" but after some thought we realised that they couldn't have been planes - This wasn't an uneducated guess, we know our planes and sattelites! Could they have been aliens?
Once the lights disapeared we heard something moving in the bushes, it sounded like someone running thongs (or flip flops, whatever you call them!) we shon the tourch in the direction we heard them but didnt see anything so we put it down to kangaroos and headed inside. I dont know if what we heard had anything to do with the UFO's we saw, is it a possibility?

thank you for taking the time to read this, I'd really like to hear your opinions on what we saw!
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Jul. 6th, 2005 @ 03:57 pm A serious scientific work on UFOs and related

There is ongoing work being carried out by scientists about UFOs and other pheonomena. With the recent advances in Physics (beyond General Relativity) and the discovery of 150 extra-solar planets (other planetary systems beyond ours) and so on... some scientists have come back to again look at the UFO problems and now uses it to show that we are possibly being watched by ETs.. a long story, but here a the link to that scientific paper. You need acrobat reader to read it and some basic knowledge of modern and advance physics (such what you find in books on "string theory" and so... but you can still read it even without that).

As you will see the scientists are very serious physicists who do believe in the possibility of ET visiting us. They claim that the main problem has been this Condon Report carried out on UFO evidence (project blue book, from the military and government) and that the scientists involved in the Report Condon were actually reckless and did not do a good job. Insteady they suggest that there is actually enough evidence to support that ETs are actually visiting us, in a manner not to alarm the government and not to destroy our society and not affect us directly. An interesting and refreshing view of the problem.

Enjoy the reading!
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Jun. 14th, 2005 @ 12:47 pm Intro and experience...
My name is Jeff. I'm from Centralia, Washington, about 100 miles south of Seattle. All my life I've believed in extraterrestrial intelligence, UFOs, and government conspiracies surrounding them. The abduction phenomenon always left me skeptical, though. Until about nine years ago.

I was on my home (then in Chehalis*) from seeing my girlfriend in Tenino, a drive of about half an hour. I'd left around 11:00pm, thinking that I'd be home early for once and get a good night's sleep before all the work I had ahead of me the next day. I was still living with my parents, and one of my responsibilities was the yardwork.

It was a clear summer night. No obstacles, no slow-driving conditions, not even any traffic or speed traps. So I thought I'd even beat the half-hour average.

When I got home, my mom got up and said she'd been worried about me. I'm not a night-owl by nature, so when I'd be out really late, she'd worry. Moms do that. I asked why she was so worried this time.

It was nearly 2:00am.

Years later, while reflecting on my lost time incident, without thinking about it, I spoke of the time "when I was abducted." Not when I was possibly abducted, or when I maybe slipped through a time anomoly, but with a certainty of abduction. I still had no memories of the incident, but felt (and still feel) certain that I was taken.

Is this a common experience in the abduction phenomenon? An unprovable yet undeniable belief that you've had a close encounter that you can't remember?

*Chehalis, WA has a place in UFO history. It was out of Chehalis Airport that Kenneth Arnold took off from when he saw nine strange objects over the Cascade Mountains. He described them as moving 'like a plate skipping on water'. The media picked up on that description, dubbing the objects 'Flying Saucers'...and the UFO Age began. Right here in my area. But Roswell gets all the credit. (grumbles)
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The Holy Qabalah
May. 9th, 2005 @ 11:22 am
I saw this light in the sky last night. It looked just like a star but was a lot brighter. It was moving in a straight line across the sky. Does anyone know what this could have been? I thought of a satellite but this appeared to be much closer than what a satellite should be...
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May. 6th, 2005 @ 11:44 am new member
current mood: calmcalm
I have never experienced anything paranormal in my life but I have an open mind to this type of thing.

I am looking forward to reading everybody's encounters and particularly enjoyed reading the recent post by catat9 along with the 2 very strange pictures.

Oh, my journal is friends only but if you're interested, comment on my journal and I will add ya back ;)

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Apr. 29th, 2005 @ 12:01 am Strangewire

Hey, just wanted to let you guys know about, a blog for all things paranormal, supernatural, and the like from legitimate news sources. Unlike the type of sites and columns that deal in "wacky news"-style articles about goofy work mishaps and amusing medical malpractice, Strangewire attempts to deal with phenomena that are part of a bigger question, from strange lights in the sky in the south-west US, to a man with claims of a haunting in Australia, from zombies and voodoo practice in Haiti to global government conspiracies. Fox Mulder's favorite blog, in other words. Recent articles include headlines such as "FLESH CHUNKS IN IOWA WATER LINES" and "NEW JAPANESE GHOST DETECTOR FOR SALE."

Check out, or just add the livejournal feed here to your friends list.

Nick, SW
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Apr. 21st, 2005 @ 05:57 pm Hi
I am not an abductee, but I am conducting a report, and I would like people to post their testimonials to my community alienresearch

Also if you have any info, it would be much apprieciated!
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Apr. 19th, 2005 @ 12:55 am
current mood: okayokay
I honestly don't know what to think. I have never had dreams that would make me believe that I have been abducted however, I have many of the signs of an abductee. Part of me believes that I'm looking far too much into this and then another part of me thinks that it's a strange coincidence that so many of these things apply to me.

Also: Does anyone know where I could find a picture of an implant in the wrist? Any help would be fantastic.

Anyway, it's been great to read all of your stories and to further my research on this fascinating subject.

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<lj user=bringitbaby>/hawksley
Apr. 19th, 2005 @ 03:45 am My abduction experiences
I spilled out my guts in my journal yesterday, I can't suppress these memories anymore, have a look and see if it's interesting. I think I have had these memories all my life, but it might be something that my brain made up, I just don't know, but there are so many issues with my memories that is unlikely that I could have made up, in my opinion. Anyways, I don't know if I believe it myself, I leave it up to people to decide for themselves. Sharing my story with someone for the first time is something I have done for myself; I don't think it is good for someone to suppress bad or unusual memories of any kind, really. The subjects of abductions are taboo in the western society, and you are not supposed to talk about it, sadly.
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Apr. 2nd, 2005 @ 10:04 pm Hello
Hi I'm Jeremy and I'm new to this group. I was once a regular abductee but that stopped when I was eight. I supressed those memories until recently and am now coming to terms with them.
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Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 11:13 pm
My name's Ryan and I'm glad to have found this community because I have a genuine interest in the abduction experience. I am not an abductee; I would like to interview - via email - someone who has experienced abduction, especially if said someone has seen the abductors or seen/heard their language. I have faith that watching this community will provide me with additional insights.
Feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss your experience with me.
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Atheist Goat
Mar. 24th, 2005 @ 10:37 am Reading Recommendations Please
Okay, there are a lot of kooks out there... A lot of people writing schlock. A lot of people writing just to make money. A lot of people who are writing who think they are the hybrid off-spring of Mr Spock and Abraham Lincoln...

...but I also think there is truth.

May I get some recommendations on good books? Some authors who have done convincing research and field work? Authors that don't make wild claims with no evidence to back themselves up?

I'd really like to know... My spouse and I both feel like we may have been abducted numerous times in our lives... It is feelings, not lucid memories as I have heard some people have, but real feelings none the less...
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Midwest Men's Festival
Mar. 15th, 2005 @ 01:15 pm
current mood: curiouscurious
If one abductee were to visit another abductee for awhile, do you think the chances of an encounter is increased by being with eachother? Has anyone heard of this or experienced it?
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Mar. 10th, 2005 @ 05:04 pm Just a question..
Hi, I'm Aeryn.. I'm almost 16..

I'm kind of hesitant doing this.. but it's something that really confuses me..

When I was eight, I was at school. I asked my teacher if I could go to the toilet, she said yes. I got to the toilet and I could never remember doing anything else. Not even going in through the door. I thought I must have fallen asleep or something(I was so embarresed).. but when I got back to my classroom, the teacher started yelling and asking me where I'd been for the last hour and a half.
That night I had a dream about these grey monsters coming into my room and staring at me.
I didn't even know what aliens or ghosts or anything like that were back then. My dad was always talking about them, but I never knew.

About a week later, I was walking through our hallway at home, when I front of me, there was a tall shadow. I turned around, and there was nothing.

I had a dream that they came into my room that night. I don't remember any of it, but them being in there, and I was very afraid.

I've never been so terrified of something

My question is: If I've had no reason to fear them.. is there some way something happened that day when I was at school hidden in my unconcious thoughts, that made me unknowingly fear them?
I just don't understand how I could fear them so much without any kind of knowledge. It isn't me.
I've experienced lost time, if that helps.. but I just want to know if anyone else has the same experience. Fear of something you never knew existed?

Thanks a heap,
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Feb. 6th, 2005 @ 06:01 am The new girl's story
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I just joined. I'm 14 years old, I live in California, and my name is Emily. I'm not sure if I've ever been abducted but I'm extremely sensitive to paranormal activity, I'm more active on the "ghost" and "spirit" side. Here's my background:
I've been obsessed with aliens ever since I was about 6 years old. Not just the big green headed cartoons on bracelets and nightlights. I would read up on Roswell and I dug up the only sloghtly alien-related book in my school library about this man in the air force in the 1940's and his experiences with UFO's and aliens. I was more interested in the discovery part of extraterrestrials. I wanted to know why they existed, I was sure they did even at that age. I've seen UFO's and crafts in the sky many times, I used to watch the night sky with my mom at a young age. When I was about 7 I watched a show about abductees and abduction and for some reason I felt an immediate connection with their stories, but I didn't know why. I didn't think they were crazy, I believed them wholeheartedly. On the show I heard some of them say before the night in which they experienced alien abduction they would see flashing lights outside. I then remembered all those nights when the window above my bed would flash and fill my room with a bright super-white light for a mere second or two, then it would repeat itself. I never thought twice. I experience time loss to this day. But only minor forms of it. In my sleep. I never though it was weird. I distinclty remember many times I felt like I just blinked and my alarm clock was already going off. I just thought I slept hard. I read recent posts about extraterrestrial activity aggravating allergies and things of that nature. I've had an extremely and sometimes dangerously low immune system since around the age of 6, when the alien activity started becoming evident, and I still experience asthmatic problems before I go to sleep lately, although my asthma doesn't even bother me when I play sports. Sometimes I feel okay and I forget about paranormal activity but every few months I feel extremely jittery and paranoid. I feel like I'm being watched and I'm constantly researching up on ghosts or aliens in that period of time because I need to know if its just me or if its something of greater importance. This is one of those times. Another thing was when I was about 10 years old I went and developed my film and when I got it back I got all my pictures with some random pictures thrown in. Now I know it mightve been other peoples pictures, but if so it would be on the end of the stack or at the very top, because the other person's pictures started printing after mine and just got picked up, but the odd pictures were mixed into the middle of the stack. There was one that looked like it was taken out my garage's side door, but instead of looking out onto the fence, it was a cornfield. And in the cornfield, with its head barely above the corn but tall enough for me to see it, was a being of some sort. There was another picture that was taken in pitch black that looks like there is something of an army of grey alien-like beings surrounding me, but I can only see half of each of their bodies because half of the picture is shadows. I also had a picture on that roll of when I was in San Francisco and I could plainly see a flying object above the Golden Gate, not a helicopter or plane. I kept these pictures safely in my drawer because I knew I could find answers about them once I grew up. But when I went looking for them two years ago, they were gone, the whole envelope. I can't sit and look out at the night sky because I feel like they're listening to me while I enlighten my friends on the obvious existence of an alien-race. I fear being taken, whether it be again or actually remembering an abduction that might be in a chain of many I have already had. I feel an odd connection with them but at the same time I fear them. When I was little I was amazed that all the freckles on my arms make exact equilateral triangles. I still think its kind of odd, but I don't think it means anything. When I see things like crop circles they don't shock me or anything. It's like a part of me understands them. They have some sort of meaning to me that my conscious mind can't decifer. I don't know if that means anything either.
What do you think?
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Feb. 6th, 2005 @ 06:58 am help me!
I'm new. Reading an abduction novel right now, or a saucer novel by Coontz.

Cross-posted like a bitch.

Well, I just asked my chair David if I could teach science fiction next semester, as our scifi professor is retiring. He was iffy, but I'm going to bug the SHIT out of him until he lets me do it.

I want to focus the course on post=apocalyptic fiction. Right now, these are the books we would use:

1. The Stand, Stephen King
2. The Rift, Walter J. Williams
3. A Canticle for Liebowitz, Walter Miller
4. The Postman, David Brin
5. Swan Song, Robert McCammon
6. Earth Abides, George Stewart
7. Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven
8. The New Madrid Run, Michael Reisig
9. Eternity Road, Jack McDevitt
10. The Day of the Triffids, John Wyndham
11. The Dawning. Hugh P. CAve.
12. The Nature of Balance, Tim Lebbon
13. Parable of the Sower, Octavia Butler
14. The Gate to Women's Country, Sheri Tepper
15. Oryx and Crake, Margaret Atwood
16. Where Late the Sweet Bird Sings, Kate Wilhelm
17. Into the Forest, Jean Hegland
18. The Folk of the Fring, Orson Scott Card
19. Apocolypses: Prophesies, Cults, and Millenial Beliefs Through the AGes, Eugen Weber
20. Visions of the End, Bernard McGinn
21. The Encyclopedia of Apocolyptism, Bernard McGinn
22. End=Time Visions: The Road to Armaggedon, Richard Abanes
23. The Last Apocolypse, James Jr. Reston
24. Z for Zachariah, Robert C. O'Brien
25. Smart RAts: A Novel, Thomas Baird
26. Plague, Jean Ure
27. Cloud Warrior,1st Fantasy,Iron Master,Blood River,Death Briger,, Patrick Tilley
28, Twilight World, Poul Anderson
29. Malevil by Robert Merle
30. The Wild Shore : Three Californias (Wild Shore Triptych), K.S. Robinson
31. Emergence, David Palmer
32. Through Darkest Amer and Dawn's Uncertain Light, Neil Barrett
33. I am Legend, Richard Matheson
34. Cat's Cradle, Kurt Vonnegut
35. Damnation Alley, Roger Zelazny
36. Bangs and Whispers: Stories About the End of the World, James Frenkel
37. A Gift Upon the Shore, M.K. Wren

OK I know there are too many here. Obvious. So help me cut it down. How many should I include? I've NEVER taught a literature claSS before, so I need help! Is there anything I should include but didn't? Is there anything on the list that can go?

I have NOT read anything without a star by it. If YOU have, please review it for me!!!

Also, I need help figuring out how to teach this clas. I want to first look at how "post apocalyptic fiction" is a genre -- what is similar between these booKS? But what else could we talk about? Paper topics? Class discussions? HELP!

Also, I don't own almost ANY of these items. My wishlist has them all there. I would love anyone forever for buying me some of these. Books give me more joy than can be stated in words, in anything. Books are love to me. Here's the list (the cheaper the better, so used is GREAT). I swear you can get one for less than five bucks, and oh what joy it will give me!!
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I have a Dream
Jan. 6th, 2005 @ 09:36 am
current mood: curiouscurious
Hey all, I just recently found you through the conspiracies community and I wanted to ask a question.

I've always been one to believe in aliens, and other dimensions, etc etc. While I've never had a first hand experience, I keep getting nagging deep gut feelings about something eventually happenening. They're not on-going, but I'd say about every 6 months I get the feeling. When I get these feelings, I genereally try not to be alone at night because I can get pretty paranoid and hyperactive over the fact that I fear an experience so much. So I guess what I'm asking is, did the same happen for you? Did you have a feeling, can you sense when things are about to happen again? I honestly always feel like i'm being observed, just that they haven't contacted me yet.

A few posts down someone mentioned how they've experienced time lapses, where one minute it's 1.00am and in the blink of an eye it's 7.00am. I have experienced these as well, only during sleeping.

Sorry to be a bother. Can't wait to hear from someone.
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Swine Flu
Jan. 3rd, 2005 @ 12:30 pm hello
Hello. I am new to this community. I am a playwright working on a play with a rather sophistocated background that would take a very long time to explain, but suffice to say the topics of the play on which i am currently doing research involve aliens, the kinds of aliens that we know what, what the aliens want from us, time travel, war crime tribunals and genetic testing and cloning among human and alien species.

I am wondering if anyone has any links or information on any of these things (well, not time travel or war crime tribunals, but the alien things more specifically). I have done a lot of research on the internet and i would like to move into the realm of books, but i can't seem to find any that aren't sensationalising the whole alien thing, and that aren't your run of the mill abduction info. I can't tell you what exactly i am looking for, but i will know it when i find it. I feel like i am getting close, but i'm not quite there yet. Any info on internet links or books of interest would be appreciated.

cross posted in a lot of places, sorry if you're seeing this more than once.

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Dec. 16th, 2004 @ 06:29 pm
I just had a dream about this race of aliens who have started some kind of service to humanity using amazing technology. They can look normal, but their true appearance is silver skin and white eyes (no pupils). They didn't seem hostile at all, but I was skeptical.

Sound familiar to anyone?
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Nov. 29th, 2004 @ 10:33 am A summery
The following is all first hand, I'll start out by listing sightings then move to encounters and observations.

All experiances below occurred in Connecticut although I now reside in Colorado and I'm 29 years of age.


AGE: ?? 7-9..
Myself and a friend were playing in his front yard, I'm not sure what we were playing.. all I remember is standing shoulder to shoulder with him looking up. Very visable right next to a cloud were two half circle, grayish/silver crafts? very plain looking.. They just hovered there making no noise. Well we stared for a few minutes and being young but not uninformed we ran inside screaming UFO ... UFO and dragged our parents out to see... of course they were gone.

While at tyhe drive in I witnessed orbs to the left of the screen going up and down in the sky. I did not open my mouth considering my last experiance with telling the adults.

AGE: 19-20
I lived down the road from a lake, it had a small playground and at night me and friends liked to go down there and swing on the swings and chat. More times then I can count both myself and others witnessed orbs in the sky. They played with eachother and would fly formations.. zip off in different directions and do all sorts of crazy stunts.


AGE 16-19
I'd become very interested in the paranormal and UFO's, I had quite the library for someone my age and had learned a few things that made me suspicious of my childhood. REWIND During my elementary school days I would experience lost time. This always occurred at night... and would follow this format.. Eyes open/dark out.... BLINK/light out. Oddly it was like time had just disappeared while I was finishing a thought, like nothing had happened. Trying to explain to mom that I blinked and it was morning and I was to tired to goto school did not I learned to simply say, I couldn't sleep the night before.

AGE 16-19
Driving home from somewhere?? ,,with a group of friends, who had some weird experiences of their own, we arrived over an hour later then we should have at our place of residence. No one knew why or remembered anything

AGE 16-19
I was watching the TV late one night, my bf was asleep in the bedroom. I looked at the clock on the VCR and it said (don't remember exactly so I'll make it up) 2am .. I got up to nuke a snack in the microwave... I arrived in the kitchen and went over to the micro and it said 3:30am.. thinking damn! which clock is off I went back into the living room and to my disbelief the VCR said 3:30am.. I have no memory of what occurred during the lost time.

AGE 16-19
I woke up one morning absolutely screaming positive that I knew how UFO's flew. I ran upstairs to a neighbor and proceeded drawing charts while ranting and raving something about super magnetism. Well I was quite sure I had an alien visitation although I had no memory of aliens or a craft that I could conjure mentally.. however I knew the events that occurred. I was taken to the "engine room" (for lack of a better term) and they attempted to educate me.

a couple weeks later sitting and having a chat with my grandpa. We sometimes had conversations about things out of the norm, there was much ghost activity at his house (for another post). So we were in one of our weird conversation modes when he mentions he either had a really strange dream or was abducted by aliens. His version which began with .. a couple weeks ago (around or on the time I had my experience) .. I *dreamt I was taken aboard an alien spaceship and they took me to the engine room and told me how it worked. I can remember what I saw but not what they told me. ODDLY the same exact experience with opposite memory effects. Of course I shared what happened to me and we were both a little shaken up.

AGE 16-19
I don't know if this was an alien visitation.. I was free floating in space.. there was a being behind me, just out of sight.. I felt perfectly safe. THe being proceeded to take me to each planet.. with pretty much just a blink in travel time... and he told me the names the planets were given when they first came into being. I do not remember the names he told me.

Since my teens and these experiences nothing has happened to the best of my knowledge. Either they've abandoned me or gotten better at manipulating my memory.
Some of my opinions concerning aliens... Part of me believes they may be dimensional travelers. As this type of travel could be much easier then galactic travel. A magnet system for propulsion would only work within the confines of a solar system with large bodies that have magnetic poles. THis could not explain how they might travel between solar systems where there is nothing but void. Mind you also that the two closest stars are 4m light years away.. taking 4 years to travel at light speed, if they are even from one of those systems.

The greys... I never saw my abductors so I'll just assume they are the greys. THe laws of evolution dictate from the appearance of these beings that they are from a low gravity environment (skinny-long limbs), do no manual labor (no sign of musculature-also a sign of low gravity) and are accustomed to very little light, (large eyes all black (pupil?) ...... Could then it even be that they are generation travelers sent from their home to explore on trips that would take generations and turned into these low gravity beings after so many generations.

or even us, god knows how long from now.. traveling back in time to study their history and evolution. It's feasable we could go through those same physical changes if we became a space faring race.

There are many possibilities.....
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Oct. 4th, 2004 @ 06:46 pm
I was promised by a UFO.

For those of you whom have read the bible, I was baptised at St Annes in Krakow after my parents had me after being visited by a UFO. The bible speaks of "promising" children - the whole deal with that is that the child is not parented by its true parent, it is immaculately concieved, meaning my mother, spiritually, was not responsible for my birth or karma.

This is the governing concept of the universe. The earth, which is my tarot card, is "proimised" to by, an alien culture. Meaning, where we screw up, essentially, benifiting from our karmic good intentions is an alien - just as Jesus died on the cross, earth becomes something else through our good intentions.

I have had nightmares so realitistic I could have died, my awakening was harsh and painful. They have cast the alien karma back on me, a human being, and I had sexual, drug, and violent karma that left me isolated with no friends. Just this constant ringing in my ear and countless psychic phenomena of all kinds. . . from telekinetic, to being visited by an alien, empathic, and another "driving" form of phenomena where I am changing lots for the world and other people.

This has left me with an awakened numb state. I guess its hard to get sometimes. Theres more. . . but enough for now.
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Oct. 2nd, 2004 @ 07:26 pm September 22, 2004 - Cleveland, Ohio

fairly interesting 24 hours in Ohio last week.

"On Wednesday morning September 22nd, 2004 a caller rang the WTAM morning show, Wills and Coleman in the Morning, to report the sightings of strange colors in the sky. Other callers reported seeing the same thing while others tried to describe and/or explain the image. (You can hear a sampling of the calls below)."

Newsradio WTAM



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Oct. 1st, 2004 @ 09:28 am PBS Poll
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Oct. 1st, 2004 @ 06:43 am John Salter Jr....In His Own Words
John Salter Jr. is a fascinating guy. I have was able to touch base with him a few months ago, and he has given me permission to post his story. Since it is rather lengthy, I will simply direct you here:

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Sep. 28th, 2004 @ 01:50 pm A very very sad day.......for all of us.
This is preliminary information; a statement from the family is forthcoming.

At this time we must with great sorrow confirm that Dr John Mack has passed away in London, England.

Dr Mack was one of several speakers discussing British officer T.E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") at the T. E. Lawrence Society Symposium, Oxford. Dr Mack's 1977 biography of T.E. Lawrence, A Prince of Our Disorder, received the Pulitzer Prize in biography (see complete bio below). Dr Mack's presentation at an afternoon panel was so warmly received that he was asked to stay and present an additional evening talk, which again met with positive response. Afterward, he went to dinner with friends.

On his return to the home at which he was staying while in London, traveling on foot on Totteridge Road, he was struck by a vehicle being driven by an intoxicated driver. Dr Mack was in a crosswalk. Dr Mack was pronounced dead on the scene by London police and is believed to have died on impact.
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Sep. 24th, 2004 @ 10:58 am Transcript of NOVA's "Kidnapped by Aliens"

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Sep. 23rd, 2004 @ 06:41 pm
HQ Battery 517, Panama: 1965

by Eddie J. Melvin, ©1995

I was born in New Jersey and received my engineering degree from Rucker University in Newark. I am married and have one son, a daughter in-law, and two granddaughters. During my military career I worked in the Army's Air Defense Division, Armed Forces Radio and Television Broadcasting, as well as electronics and communications. My military career took me to such countries as Vietnam, Thailand, Korea, Japan, Costa Rica, Panama, Peru, Germany, Belgium, Austria, and Italy. I retired from the military in 1984, and worked for a large aerospace company in the northwest for a number of years. I now own and operate ECS Video Production in Stanwood, Washington.

If you have had an ET experience, then you can identify with what I am about to tell you. If you have not had an experience involving ETs then I ask that you keep an open mind and don't rule out anything until you search deep within yourself. By studying this subject you will open up that part of your subconscious mind that will allow you to understand things that you would not, or could not ordinarily understand.

I've been involved with extraterrestrials or ETs for as far back as I can remember. I was raised under the traditional African-American cultural and religious belief system. During my childhood, I was not to talk about these kinds of things. I was told that what I was experiencing was the devil haunting me for being a bad kid. Paranormal activity occurred throughout my childhood and the ETs kept coming. I didn't know what was going on and it was devastating for me. All of these strange things were going on around me and I had no control over them. There was no one that I could talk to who would not ridicule me. I was under a lot of stress and pressure.

I retained conscious memory of an abduction that occurred when I was eight years old. This was followed by a dramatic encounter experience when I was sixteen years old. Although I don't remember traveling to it, the ETs took me on board their ship. The first thing I was aware of was being in a large room that was shaped like a dome; it seemed to have no walls, ceiling, or doors. I was then escorted by a hybrid-like humanoid to another room that looked kind of clinical. This is where the ETs conducted tests and various experiments on me.

When I became a young man I began to question things. I began to put the events of my childhood into some kind of limited perspective. As I grew older, I realized there was more to this thing than I could allow myself to believe.

My experiences continued even while I was in the military. In 1965, I was stationed in Panama with the Army Air Defense Artillery Battalion (HQ Battery 517). I was a ground aircraft observer and it was my job to look for aircraft that made it through the radar network and call them in. I remember a particular three day period during which some extraordinary events occurred.

The First Day

My unit observed two craft pass over our heads at about 300 feet above the ground. Our radio equipment stopped functioning and we could not communicate for two hours. The craft also made our hair stand straight up and made our bodies feel very warm. Afterward, each time we would touch a metallic object we would receive an electrical shock.

Later in the day we thought we saw a cargo ship, but it turned out to be something else entirely. It was another craft and it had landed. We then experienced the phenomenon of "missing time."

The Second Day

One morning after breakfast I was with my unit on the beach. We were getting ready to fire our missiles at a remote control target. One of the men looked up and pointed to something in the sky. We all looked up to see a silver object that appeared to be the size of a baseball. We watched as it got larger and larger until we could see that it was a craft. This craft landed approximately four to five hundred feet down the beach.

While we were all looking at the craft, seven Beings appeared out of nowhere. They were just suddenly there, walking among us and looking us up and down as if they were conducting an inspection. The whole time they were walking around us we were mesmerized. The main thing I remember about the Beings was that they smelled like sulfur. Just as suddenly as the Beings appeared, they disappeared. Then suddenly, their craft became engulfed in a gold mist, shot straight up in the air like a rocket, and disappeared.

The Third Day

I was outside with some other soldiers and I looked out over a nearby peninsula and saw something I hadn't noticed before. It appeared to be a house over or near the ocean. It looked like a house that was all lit up. I told a man standing near me, but when I looked at it again it disappeared.

Over the years I have remembered so many things that have happened to me that I could literally write a book. I hope these few highlights give you some idea of the types of experiences I've had. Remembering my experiences has changed my priorities and my outlook on life dramatically. I know I speak for many people who have met with the ETs when I say that once your life takes a shift like this, there is no turning back.
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Sep. 22nd, 2004 @ 04:24 pm allergies
I found this article about aliens and allergies. I read about this from Whitley Strieber and it made me wonder why my now well-controlled asthma would suddenly flare up sometimes at night when I was doing nothing to provoke it. I recently found I have a severe allergy. I really don't have any allergies out of the ordinary, and certainly none are severe. I dont know if it is related, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Strike a chord with anyone?
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