Doug Kelley: Welcome to Paranexus Universe. It is
Thursday, September 18, 2008. I’m your host Doug Kelley here with
my co-host, Grant Rubendunst. Welcome,
Grant: Hey, welcome everybody. We’re really excited
to have Bill and Kerry with us from Project Camelot
tonight. Yeah, and so, if you could, for the folks in the audience who
might not be as familiar with your wonderful website and the great work
you did, if you could just, maybe, perhaps start out by telling us how
you guys got together and how this became such a passion for both of
Kerry Cassidy: Basically, what happened was I was a
Bill Ryan: She just basically just
picked up a consumer-grade camcorder and started talking to people, and
I joined her just a little bit over two years ago. We realized we had
the same vision. And to cut a very long story short, we’ve had a very
magical experience since then.
We’ve had the experience, and
forgive the metaphor, we just walk towards apparently blank walls and
doors open to welcome us into an incredible wonderland of opportunity,
talking to people who just a few short years ago when I was reading UFO
books in my spare time, I was thinking: You know what? I would give a
huge amount of money to even being the same room with some of these
And here we are, we’re very closely connected with a lot
of them and we’re privileged to be collecting information that starts to
make sense of this great cobweb of secrecy which I was referring to just
And we claim very little credit for anything that’s
happened. It seems to be happening around us. We’re part of a larger
team. There’s a real… Pardon my mixed metaphors. There’s a real snowball
Times are changing. The stories are coming out.
We haven’t been stopped in our work, which is very significant. Given
that The Powers That
Be have got the capability to squash us like a bug if
they wanted to, they have not done that. And we think that that is
significant. Because we do think the information we’ve presented is
valuable. And we’re in a position to present some of that, depending on
what you and your listeners would like to focus on, in the next couple
But we’re being permitted to do this. And we think that
this may be helping The Powers That Be with the problem
that they’ve got, which is: How do they come clean with this huge pile
of secrets that they’re sitting on?
For a whole variety of reasons, it’s just got very, very, very
And we started off just telling a few stories about
UFO witnesses; and Bill Hamilton; Gary McKinnon, the
so-called Pentagon hacker; a guy who we had contacted privately who was
in an extraordinary situation 20 years ago of being an archivist of
classified information, six months working in a vault with photographs
and documents and artifacts and films. And he came forward to tell us
what he had experienced.
So we thought: Wow, this is incredible.
We’ve got a couple of witnesses here who are willing to say something on
And since then we’ve gone into time travel; we’ve got
into what’s happening with a possible, potential, catastrophe that we
feel has been averted years ahead. Then we got into issues connected
with: OK, what is going to be happening in the next few
It’s all very interesting, talking about Roswell and the
kind of mess that Eisenhower, who was basically a good man, may have got
himself into in the early 1950s. But there’s a lot of historical
information which is really interesting and not all that valuable unless
we’re still back in the so-called UFO dark ages when we’re trying to
prove that there’s something going on.
For us, this is
self-evident, that there are so many things going on out there that
aren’t reported on CNN. We’re taking this as our starting point, that we
have visitors, that there are secrets, that the US military and the
military of other countries are in this up their necks and beyond; that
there are really complicated issues involving visits from future humans,
time travel, time loops, stuff connected with the Montauk
It’s very, very complicated, very
interesting, very important. And we’re living in critical times right
now. And as Grant said, I think, These are interesting times.
one of the things that we find ourselves staring at almost in real time
as we talk to you, is information coming at us about the kind of things
that may be happening literally in the next few weeks. And all of these
things are connected.
And with that, I’ll step down from the
podium from which I’ve been talking [laughs], and allow you to steer
this along, because there’s so much to say.
D: OK. Grant, you have a
G: One of the things I wanted to ask you, Bill,
was… You know, on your website you talk about, kind of, your thesis. And
I thought that was really fascinating. And I wonder if you could kind of
enlighten our audience, if you could give them your perspective, kind of
what you think, or an overview on what you think is happening and what
the consequences might be. Because I think our audience may not be as
familiar with it as I am, and I find it absolutely
B: OK, I will do my best. And the reason why
I say that is because these are complicated concepts, and it’s almost
the kind of thing that’s easier to present with a diagram rather than on
live radio. But here we go.
This is what we are reasonably
convinced has happened, and it’s a sort of a variation of, and an
enlargement on, what could be called conventional UFO
understanding. So here we go.
D: Take a breath.
B: [laughs] Very deep
breath. We are given to understand by two of our witnesses who did not
know each other, independent-testing me, one of whom is Dan Burisch who is
well-known to the UFO community, who we know well and who we are totally
satisfied that his credentials are good will and very high connections;
and another guy whose pseudonym, which we gave him, is Henry Deacon, who has
worked on the inside for a large number of years. We know this guy very,
And, just as an aside on that, a couple of weeks ago
we started a forum called the Project Avalon forum, not Project
Camelot, but Project Avalon. The two are closely connected, and we’ll
talk about that a little bit, too. And Henry Deacon is very live on this
forum. It’s an almost unique situation where we’ve got a black-ops
whistleblower who’s actually answering questions in real time on our
Now, what these two witnesses say is that the Roswell visitors were
future humans from a future Earth. They were not extra-terrestrials,
they are extra-temporals. And they differ slightly in the time
period which they believe they came from. Dan Burisch, from what I
recall, says that he understands that they came from 24,000 years in the
future. Henry Deacon says he thought it was more like 6,000 years in the
But those details are really unimportant, because this is
such an important concept to get. And the thing is that this was not…
This crash was a HUGE screw-up, if you’ll excuse my French here, because
it was not to have happened.
And one of the things that was
retrieved from the crash was a small device which was a kind of… It was
like a time portal, time guidance, time travel, instrument which is way
beyond my capacity to describe in the English language. I wouldn’t even
know how to… I wouldn’t even know what to call this thing.
the consequences of this was that the US military, in 1947, they got
their hands on a device that enabled them to be able to look into
the future and manipulate time in various ways, and to create a very… To
make that complicated story short, what happened was that then created a
massive amount of confusion, because it’s like giving a bunch of kids a
whole bunch of dynamite and detonators.
G: Just the mere thought of it, Bill, is kind of
scary, you know, the military tinkering with something like that in the
B: Yeah. They were tinkering around… As we are
given to understand by both Burisch and Deacon, they were tinkering
around with this high-tech device in such a way that it started to
create loops and paradoxes in time.
And one of the issues
that was prevalent there was that they discovered fairly early on, both
from their own investigations using this device, and also from contact
with future humans from a different era, even further into the future,
is that in the future humans’ history, there was a major catastrophe in
the year 2012 or around
This is what the 2012 thing is all
about. It’s about an awareness that we have, and a historical record
from the future humans’ point of view, that from their historical
perspective, there was a major catastrophe that was a huge civilization
wipeout. It was a pole shift.
And what happened then… once
again, to make this long story very short… is that the US military did
what they do best and they started to dig in. They took defensive action
and they started to spend trillions of dollars on a whole network of underground
And interestingly enough, in the future humans’
history, this as exactly what was done. And after the catastrophe, half
of the human race stayed underground, half of the human race left the
planet, first to the Moon and Mars. They went off in different direction
and evolved in slightly different ways.
Now, the reason for this
pole shift, so we are given to understand, was that a certain kind of
time-portal technology, which is known in the vernacular as
Looking-glasses, manmade Looking-glasses and manmade
Stargates, which both used the same kind of technology.
Stargates you travel
through. Looking-glasses you look
through. And you can look into time and you can look into
And according to the future humans’ history, these devices
amplified - accidentally - the effects of the Earth moving through a
particular region of energetic space in and around the time of 2012. And
this is what you read about all over the net … we’ll have the Earth moving into an area where
it’s parallel with the plane of the…
G: Center of the
B: …the galaxy. Something to do with
that. This isn’t just complete hokum, although there’s a lot of hokum
talked about it.
There’s a region of energetic space that the
solar system starts to move through, and is starting to move through,
and in the future humans’ timeline, these manmade Looking-glass and
Stargate devices amplified these energetic effects, which is
something to do with micro-wormholes in space, and caused the entire
Earth to wobble, just like knocking over a bowl of soup in a restaurant,
which created this huge wipeout.
And we’ve got all… Although it’s
a paradox and we haven’t kind of got there yet, the human race has got
this sort of future-perspective-ancestral-memory of this thing.
Everyone’s looking around thinking: My god! You know, we’re in deep
trouble, and what’s this 2012 thing about? And people are talking
catastrophes and pole shifts.
And it’s almost
impossible to find the right tense to use in the English language. It’s
like this did happen in the future and the future humans came back and
said: Listen, we know why this happened, because it happened to us. If
you decommission or dismantle these Looking-glasses and Stargates, then
this won’t happen to you.
And then this creates a new,
different, timeline. And we have been credibly assured by Dan
Burisch, who took part in a special project last year, 2007, to check
out whether the decommissioning of the Looking-glasses and Stargates had
actually been effective.
And his summary was that, yes, the
catastrophe has been avoided. This will not happen. But what they
did see was a whole bunch of other stuff which has been coming at us for
the last 6 to 9 months. And this has focused our attention.
in this intelligence probe - it’s a time portal intelligence probe into
the future - the catastrophic future timeline which they called
Timeline 2, that apparently is very improbable now. That is, they
are assured that this will not happen.
What they did see
on Timeline 1, which is the non-catastrophic timeline… and it’s
Variant 83 which they saw. They had to call it something, and there are
a number of variants, and this has all got to do with quantum
What they saw was that before the US election in
2008 (and here we are now!), there would be a war which would be
launched that then would be inherited by the next administration, the
president of which would be Hillary Clinton! … which is interesting,
because this doesn’t look to be the case. There would have to be a lot
of strange events occur for this to the case. So it looks as if that
timeline has been broken. But for a long time this was not
And the events on that Variant 83 of Timeline 1
are not only a war against Iran, but an economic collapse which
is associated with that, and then an enormous mess which is pretty bad
news and certainly something to be avoided if at all possible, that
involves various nuclear exchanges… Pakistan, Russian, China, a whole
bunch of nasty stuff. Not the civilization-stopper, but certainly
something that involves quite a lot of hard times in the next 18 months
to 2 years.
And ever since that news was discovered, as it were,
various factions have been trying to avert this, because we do have
free will and the future is not cast in stone. And the very first
thing that happened after this was discovered was that Mike
McConnell - who’s a good guy and he’s the Director of National
Intelligence, the USDNI, as he’s called - he instructed his
intelligence organization to publish what is called the National Intelligence Estimate on the
3rd of December last year 
which stated that Iran was not a threat.
Now, that was not
in the timeline that was seen, so this was the first attempt to actually
change things and to avert the war.
And basically ever since
then, there’s been in a push-me/pull-you between the factions who
actually want this war to happen - because they’re driven by all kinds
of crazy Illuminati prophecies about end times and Armageddon,
and they actually want this thing to happen.
Burisch has said in the past, that because for so many years the
politicians of the world have known what seems to be lying ahead, based
on this time portal information, they have just been actors following
a script, just following what they kind of believe in a
quasi-religious way is their destiny.
And this is really
alarming, because where this destiny goes is somewhere that doesn’t look
like particularly good news for the human race.
Now, at this
point I’m going to take another deep breath here. I’m going to stop and
I’m going to allow Kerry to fill in all the
G: We’re all
D: Kerry, still with us?
K: Hi. Yeah.
I am. Actually, I’m not really sure where you want to go at this point,
so I’ll let you ask the questions and let’s, you know, let me try to
D: Well, let’s do this. We’re getting close to the
bottom of the hour so we’re going to take a short break in just a minute
and then we’ll come back from the break and we’ll pick it up where we
left off and that’ll give you a chance to reset here a little
Before we go to our break, I just want to welcome everybody
in the chat-room and everybody who is listening. We’re glad you could
take your time and join us tonight. A very interesting discussion, a lot
to come out of it yet. I think we’re scratching the iceberg here.
There’s a lot of questions on this one. We’re very excited to have Bill
Ryan and Kerry Cassidy with us from Project Camelot. We’re going to pick
up the discussion with them just as soon as we get back from the break.
They’ll hang with us. We’ll be right back.
And welcome back everybody. Doug Kelley here with
Grant Rubendunst, and we're talking with Bill Ryan and
Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot.
Welcome back, Bill and Kerry.
K: So this is Kerry.
And, just to recap for a second what we were talking about before the
break, we were talking about how Timeline 1, variant 83 has been
At this moment the information we’re
getting is that actually the timeline is changing so rapidly that
something that was planned and in the works for a few months ago may not
be actually occurring the way people think it will, and that goes for
massive events. It goes for some of the weather wars that are going on
behind the scenes, and some of the plans that are being made to launch
attacks on Iran, and so on.
Lately we have, in the last two
months, just launched a new website that’s sort of the sister website to
Project Camelot, called Project Avalon and you can go there. It’s
projectavalon.net. We have a forum there which
is actually exploding and taking off in an incredible manner. We had
something like 13,000 visitors in the first week or so. And then we’re
up to 2,000 users at the moment. That’s not counting the people that
just visit every day, but actual registered users.
And it’s all
about building communities, finding safe places and networking for the
coming day that includes the future, creating a new future, hopefully a
new paradigm, from where we are now, up to and beyond 2012.
we just see 2012 as being just one day. We see we’re in the throes of a
complete global change and hopefully
an emergence of a different consciousness. And the old paradigm is
quickly destroying itself. And we plan to replace it. And so we’re going
to do our bit here.
Project Camelot was all about stating
the problem. And Project Avalon is all about creating a solution.
So we’re hoping to continue along those lines.
One of the things
with Project Avalon is also that we’re making available resources for
building communities and for, you know, eco-friendly communities,
anything you need to know to set yourself up, and maybe a small group of
people, in a safe place.
There will be Earth changes in the
future. We’re having, you know, some pretty heavy-duty storms, as you’re
seeing already, and there may be some escalations along those
There certainly are weathers wars, so even things that are
naturally induced by the Earth itself and some of the planetary and
galactic changes that we are going through are going to be aggravated by
actual weather technology which is being, I guess you might say, misused
by The Powers That Be, Russia, China, the US.
So there’s that aspect of things that you also have to be aware
D: Kerry, let me ask you a question. Are you saying
that the weather issues that we’ve been having in perhaps recent years,
or even this year, is the result of the weather manipulation by the
K: Yes. I’m saying that in addition to
the natural changes that are going on, and that means, you know, things going on with the
sun although right now the sun has been incredibly quiet,
there have been some “hits” on both sides. There’s a lot of thought that
the Chinese earthquake was a targeted hit, and Ben Fulford has come
forward to talk about that. We’ve got a recorded interview with him.
He’s also talked about that, I believe, on Rense.
It’s hard to
prove this sort of thing unless you get a black-ops person coming
forward. I have to say that, other than perhaps Tom Bearden, there are
not a lot of people out there that are willing to come forward and talk
about the weather wars side of things.
That was one incident. The
tsunami in Indonesia was
apparently, possibly, caused by an undersea hit, electromagnetic
D: Well, what’s the point? I mean, are they testing?
Or are they actually targeting these different areas? And if they are,
for what purpose?
K: Well, from what we understand… I
mean, you have to sort of go back to Project Camelot and drill down
through all the different witnesses, but what it comes down to is the
What that is encompasses is, in the short
term… If you want to look at what’s called the Iron Mountain Report - and
we have had that substantiated by Henry Deacon. We’ve got
a link to it on our site under Henry Deacon, but you can also just do a
search on the web for Iron Mountain Report. Basically that lays
out what WAS the Illuminati Agenda. And that started somewhere back in,
gosh, I don’t know, the ’60s at least, and going
However, what happened since then is that… And that had
to do with population reduction. That
was the bottom line: that the Earth was going to become overpopulated
and they, the people in control, wanted to get rid of what was said to
be 2/3 of the population.
Henry Deacon, who is one of our
witnesses, has come forward and talked about how he was given that
report and told to sit down and read it, digest it, and understand that
We are the wolves and they are the sheep. And this is what’s
What is further to that, and this kind of piggybacks on
what Bill had been talking about with the timeline changing, is Dan
Burisch saying that all bets are off, that the Looking-glasses have been
shut down, The Powers That Be no longer theoretically are able to
see their future (which was helping them make decisions, right? They
were able to select the best decision for their own ego gratification
and therefore move ahead) … that all the bets are off, at this point,
with regard to that.
Although we have to say that this is the
party-line that we’ve been given. I have to say that it’s possible
THE POWERS THAT BE, being fairly devious, and certainly the Vatican is part of all
of this, possibly have other means by which to see the future because
it’s a technology that was taken from cylinder seals, Sumerian, and
before that from the ETs. It also came, as Bill said, with the crash at
either Roswell or Kingman, whichever one you want to believe.
all we’re saying here is that that timeline, the timeline in which a
catastrophe was in the works, nuclear war definitely, and various
other things, possibly has been averted.
Although I have
to say here that recently we’ve had communication with Dan Burisch in which he stated that the Orions
are up above the Earth sitting in ships with American,
possibly people, officers, from other countries (the Secret Space Program), and
they’re watching to make sure that indeed the catastrophe does not
So they’re sort of standing by on the off-chance that
things take a really dark turn.
Certainly our economy is taking a dark
turn at the moment.
D: Could you just clarify real quick… this
catastrophe? Is it projected to be a certain time? Are we talking 2012?
Is there anything about that in this?
K: I mean… Well,
it’s the standard end of the Mayan calendar. Bill kind of
outlined the various events, one of which is a pole shift.
have mixed information on this. As you know… Because when we created
Camelot, it wasn’t only about whistleblowers. It became about
truth-tellers getting word to us from, you know, all kind of different
places. And in fact we have a scientist who we cannot name who came
forward, who has gone to work for - I think I can say this safely enough
- Homeland Security.
He was called in to work for them. And he came forward secretly
to us and stated that there would be a pole shift. There would be
what I guess Ed Dames has called a
“kill-shot” from the sun, and I believe, a magnetic pole shift as
B: What was interesting is that we got a one-liner
email. And we get many, many one-liners from people, saying, you know:
Great job on your site. We really like what you’re doing. Good luck to
you guys. And we usually, you know, send a reply saying: Hey thanks a
bunch. But he signed himself a name of somebody who I recognized.
And I got back to him saying: Are you who I think you are?
[laughs] who was a name that many of your listeners would
And he said: Yes. I am that person. And he was
responding to us privately. He hadn’t come knocking at our door as a
whistleblower; he just said, Hey look, you know, I like your
site. And we have had messages like that from a lot of insiders, who
just like seeing what we’re doing because it does reflect many aspects
of the truth in what they see. And we checked his e-mail address,
whether he was the real guy, his IP address, and all that kind of
So we found ourselves thinking: Hey, we’re talking
to a guy who’s a brilliant scientist. We’ll just ask him a question or
two. And this was two years ago. And the time span is really important
because things have changed since then.
We said to him,
basically: What do you know and what can you tell us about what’s coming
And he said: We’re in for a very tough time, and I don’t want
to be the bearer of bad news. He said there will be three events in
the next few years, starting in 2009.
He said the first one would be a [#1] coronal mass
ejection [from the sun]. And he said: To see what I mean, look up
the event of 1859, which we did.
The event of 1859 was before
the electronic era, of course, and this was when the Earth was
basically bombarded by massive fireworks display from the sun which
created auroral displays as far south as the Equator in both
hemispheres. It was incredibly spectacular and everyone saw wonderful
sunsets for a little while. But it didn’t cause any damage because
this was before the time of chips and circuits.
Now, if this
happened now, a lot of stuff will get burned out. We would be OK. We’d
see all the fireworks but we wouldn’t be able to talk on Skype, our
cell-phones wouldn’t work, we wouldn’t have TV, we wouldn’t have
radio. Our cars would stop working because the electronic management
systems would burn out. Planes would fall out of the sky. The only
things that …
Well, actually that’s a bit apocalyptic! Planes
might fall out of the sky if the coronal mass ejection was strong
enough. This parallels what Kerry described just now as Ed Dames
having talked about what his team of remote viewers had seen in
reference to a ‘Kill-shot’.
Now, this scientist who contacted
us wasn’t talking about people getting fried by solar flares. What he
was saying is that there is going to be something here that’s going to
influence our electronics all over the world.
Then he said that there would a [#2] magnetic pole
reversal which we’re given to understand is already in progress.
And it doesn’t affect our everyday lives very much, but it causes
whales and dolphins to end up getting lost and beaching themselves in
the wrong place.
And it causes all kinds of interesting effects
on our minds, the way that we think, because we are electromagnetic
biophysical beings, at least at the physical level, and as the
Earth’s magnetic field starts to go through its various fluctuations,
we are all affected behaviorally by this, which is very, very, very
As that destabilizes, we destabilize as well emotionally at
least to some degree, to the degree that, you know… We are spiritual
beings operating this body through the interface of our brains, which
is an electromagnetic environment,
And then finally, he said, [#3] the pole shift.
That’s like a kind of a slam-dunk, yeah? And now, he said this before
we got the news from Dan Burisch in 2007, as a result of
the decommissioning of the Stargates and
Looking-glasses, that the pole shift had been averted. So this
is not contradictory information. It just confirms, basically, that
this was what was in the cards at that time in
And what’s really interesting is, you know, how come a brilliant
scientist, whose name is well-known in the public arena, is contracted
to the Department of Homeland Security? I mean, that’s really
interesting. And of course, as an Englishman, I couldn’t really
understand this at first.
But then a number of my American
friends helped me to understand that the Department of Homeland
Security… This is like a very innocuous name for basically an
over-riding intelligence organization that’s senior to just about
everything else, and is handling not just issues of immigration and
border control, but major, major areas of anything that’s related to
national security. And it’s just got an innocuous name that looks like
it was invented by George Orwell.
So, that’s my enlargement on
G: The thing that’s so frightening about that is, if
all of our electronic systems go down, it’s going to disrupt everything
globally, the banking system, everything. Certainly what’s going on now
is not good, but if we have something of that magnitude, that’s going to
cause an incredible collapse of just about everything.
Right. Well, actually Henry Deacon has come forward and has been talking to us
about this electromagnetic “shot” that will happen at some point. And he
actually says it will be induced by The Powers That Be, or
could be. And he talks about safeguarding your electronics by wrapping
them in aluminum foil and burying them in the dirt. [laughs] And on top
of that, even cars navigate and are run by computers, so you have to
understand how far-reaching this really is.
And then, at the same
time, we had Dan Sherman, even
before that, come forward, and talked about being actually, you know,
genetically engineered by the ETs and the US government to be an
ET interpreter, trained as an interpreter by the military, to operate
during that time, this unique time, when the electromagnetic grid would
It’s unclear how long it’ll be down for, but one assumes
that if you’re going to train a group of ET communicators… And one might
want to delve into why you’d need ET communicators when you have
electromagnetic grid shut-down. That means that THE POWERS THAT
BE are going to be communicating with the ETs during that time. And
they have no other way to do it except psychically, with what are
in essence trained psychics.
And that’s what Dan Sherman was. So
he rebelled. He became a whistleblower. And you can find his website. I
believe it’s called aboveblack.com.
any rate, when we get information, it often becomes substantiated from
more than one place, and so this idea of an electromagnetic breakdown of
the grid has been substantiated from a number of different angles,
people who don’t know anything about each other.
G: Have you guys got any idea as to how folks, THE
POWERS THAT BE, the Illuminati or whatever,
are planning on maintaining their own survival, for perpetuating their
staying on top of the heap, so to speak?
understanding, again, is the underground bases is what
they’ve provided for themselves. And this fits in with what Dan Burisch
talked about in terms of the future humans coming back and saying that a
certain group of humanity goes underground. I mean, there are huge
underground cities that have been built for the time when the sun would
become overactive, for the shift on the planet…if we have such a thing
as a pole shift.
So all of these things have been provided for, again, by The
Powers That Be, and they’re well aware of it.
The trouble is,
for them, in essence, is that the things that they were planning for
don’t seem to be in the works any more, for a number of reasons, one of
which is that the consciousness on the planet is changing, and that we,
because we are co-creators of our own destiny, are able to affect the
future of what is happening. And that as humanity wakes up - and this is
what our whole quest on Camelot was all about, was to wake up as many
people as possible, to get onboard and know what was really going on,
break through the matrix, if you will
- such that we can actually change the program.
And so that seems
to be happening. We’ve gotten several indications that it is. However,
there are also very strong indicators that at the moment we are
approaching a very important time - which is right now through the month
of October - in which The Powers That Be may want to do something
drastic in order to coalesce their power and stay afloat, at least in
the United States. That would be the Neocon faction. And that
If you listen to our recent audio interview with
David Wilcock, he gives a wonderful summation of what went down
in Georgia, and how the Israelis had planned to attack Iran from
Georgia, and how that plan was actually worded, and how the Russians got
hip to that.
- Jumproom to Mars
And you have to understand that within the US military and
the whole Neocon faction you’ve also got MJ-12, and you’ve got
elements which are onboard with the Illuminati Agenda and are trying to
make the depopulation through war, through disease, through Earth changes, whether
they’re provoked or allowed to just happen. There’s one group like
And then you also have what is called often by our people,
the “White Hats” who will work behind the scenes to try to make sure
that these things don’t happen the way The Powers That Be would
like them to.
D: Kerry, so these White Hats are…?
K: Apparently they’re generals in the military.
They’re people like… Mike McConnell could be termed a white hat.
Certainly Dan Burisch would be termed a white hat.
[Mike McConnell] is the one who came forward with the National Intelligence
Estimate that ruined George Bush’s plans to
paint Iran as, you know, having nuclear weapons that
G: He undermined it. Sure. Thank god!
Exactly. Now, there are always, you know, there’s a punch/counter-punch,
as you can imagine. If you watch the news, you can actually watch this
happening in the various reports. As controlled as the media is, you can
still watch their, sort of, roll-out and read between the lines if you
become skilled at it, and if in essence you have the kind of backdrop of
what Camelot has investigated - and, you know, numerous other,
certainly, researchers and investigators, like Jordan Maxwell,
David Icke, both of
whom we plan to be interviewing in the next week or so at the Bay Area
D: Very interesting stuff. Kind of leaves you
pondering a lot of things. And I definitely need to go spend some time,
more time… I’ve watched some of your videos, but not enough, I don’t
think. If you’ll hang with us, we’re going to be back with Bill Ryan and
Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot. So hang tough, we’ll be back in just a
And welcome back everybody. We’re into our second
hour tonight. This is Doug Kelley here with Grant
Rubendunst. This is an interesting conversation, huh
G: Absolutely. Welcome everybody. We’re happy to
have you. And we’ll be taking your calls. We welcome your calls and any
questions you might have in the chat-room.
D: Sounds good. And we’re of course talking with Bill
Ryan and Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot. Welcome back to the
program. What’s going to be coming up in the near
B: Oh boy! Right! What’s going to be coming up in
the near future?
Let us start with an anecdote. It’s one of these
little anecdotes that’s quite a good place to start. This is an email
that we got two days ago and it was on the back of a whole bunch of
emails that we got a little bit earlier on in the summer, from somebody,
a regular person. And there are lot of regular people who are very alert
and aware, who follow our work, watch our site, and who know people in
high places or in the intelligence agencies, so they say.
first contacted by this person in July, who said that he had a friend in
the alphabet agencies who we had reason to believe was fairly senior,
who said that if they were going to be deployed to the Middle East, then
war would be a done deal. Unquote.
That war was a certainty.
D: All right.
B: I’m just quoting that
because those were the words he used.
K: That is war with Iran, just to
B: Yeah. And we got an email
two days ago saying that this guy had been deployed to the Middle East.
K: Actually, he’s being deployed this week. [The
email] was a few days ago, so it was “next week” and now it’s this
So we have a blog on the front of Project Camelot that we
now keep, because one of the things we realized that we had to do was to
take the backlog of information that we have as Camelot and help people
to use that to interpret news events that are going on.
to be able to report other whistleblowers and people that report
information to us that’s not long enough for, say, an interview or even
a whole page, but is sometimes very key information telling people
what’s happening and what may be happening very soon. So that’s
our blog on the first page of Project Camelot. So it’s a good place to
check in and see what’s really new.
But to continue, Bill, why
don’t you tell how the information about October is actually starting to
really stack up.
B: Yeah. It’s starting to stack up. And
the analogy that I use is that of data points on a graph. It’s like, if
you are collecting information and you’re plotting it on a graph - and I
say this because I’m a trained scientist quite a long time back. But if
you get data-clustering, then it means something. This is not random.
You start to see a shape forming. You start to see trends
And we’ve seen this data-clustering pointing towards
October for quite a while. And this e-mail that we got just a couple
days ago is just the latest confirmation. It’s like, well OK, the guy’s
gone to the Middle East. You know … Ohhh … you know. What does this
mean? I won’t swear now, but I did when I read the e-mail.
back … Now this is interesting because there are interesting points that
come to this. We were contacted in May 2007 - that’s pretty much 18
months ago now - by somebody who was… We weren’t contacted directly, but
we were contacted by an intermediary for somebody who was associated
with one of the Montauk Projects, who was involved in the Montauk Project in
1984. And this another whole area which you can do two-hour
show on just that alone.
The Montauk Projects, we are assured,
were real. They had to do with time travel, time
manipulation, all the mess of stuff that I was talking about in the
first hour. And this guy… In 1984, one of the things that they were
doing, was they were messing around as I was describing, using
technology that they barely understood, with fixing up, manipulating,
and peering into, over the time horizon, into future
And this guy said that for years he had been talking
about what he recalled from that project, that in 2007, 2008, there
would be two main markers of that time period, one of which would be
food riots, OK? And we got this, as I said, in May 2007. We didn’t
publish this information because we didn’t believe him.
We thought: Food riots? People are going to think we’re crazy.
And we sat on that information.
The other component of what he
said besides the food riots, was he made reference to what he called the
King George Scenario. And this was in 1984 he heard it. And
King George refers to George Bush. They knew
about him as the future president in 1984, 16 years before he was
elected. And they called it the King George Scenario because
kings aren’t elected. Kings get to stay in power all the time, and they
never step down after 8 years.
The King George Scenario
apparently was that some event would occur before George Bush, before
his term of office ended, that would actually create the need, the
false need, or the fake need or whatever, for him to stay in power.
And we’re still waiting for this. OK.
This may or may not happen
because timelines do change. But in the metaphor told us by another one
of our witnesses, Jim Sparks - who is a multiple, almost
all-the-time, fully-conscious abductee, who was told a
whole bunch of stuff by his abductors, and shown some pretty alarming
pictures of a potential Earth future...
He was given to
understand that time is like a huge river. You think about like the Nile
or the Mississippi or the Amazon, just this giant river that’s flowing
along and we’re flowing down it. And it flows in a direction. And you
can change the flow of this river with enough energy, but it’s always
going to want to keep on flowing in the direction which has been. You
can change it, but it’s not easy. If you just lob a few rocks into it,
it’s not going to make any difference. It needs to be a big-time change.
And you can even divert it, but it still wants to flow back in the
direction in which it was flowing in the first place. It’s kind of got
its own inertia.
And so are watching to see whether this timeline
has changed. In the meantime, our contact is expecting this to
Now, more stories here, because I was talking to Henry
Deacon about this. Henry Deacon is our black-ops insider source that we
were talking about in the first hour. He knew about timelines, he knew
about the future human stuff, he knew about the Roswell catastrophe …
catastrophe because of the time device that was recovered in the
crash which then they started tinkering with to create all these
time loops and paradoxes that have not yet been resolved.
to him… I was talking to him about what Dan Burisch referred to as
Timeline 1, Version 83 and saying: You know what? At least the
timeline has changed, because it doesn’t look like Hillary is going to
be president. She’s off the ticket. She’s not even the vice presidential
candidate to Obama. This is not
going to happen.
Henry said: You know what? I feel really uneasy
about this because of something I read many years ago.
said: What are you talking about?
And he said: You know, I can’t
remember, but I read this. I read that Hillary was off the ticket but
something really weird would happen and she would end up back on the
ticket again. And it was connected with the election being postponed for
a couple of months.
I just had these chills going down my
D: No kidding.
B: Now, I’m just
reporting a conversation that I had, and Henry could not remember the
details, because, as happens with many people behind the curtain of
black-ops, they’re exposed to documents, they’re exposed to plans. Some
of these things do change.
But the thing that is so hard to
believe and so alarming to believe is that many of these global events
are orchestrated and choreographed years or even decades
Carol Rosin, who we
don’t know and we haven’t talked to, but many of your listeners will
know, who worked closely with Wernher von Braun, went on record
with the Disclosure Project, is
saying that she learned about the invasion of Iraq in 1991 (Operation
Desert Storm) back in the 1970s. She sat in on meetings where this was
being planned and being discussed.
The whole thing is being
choreographed right from the beginning. That’s just one little example.
And so we’re left with this snippet of extraordinary information, Henry
saying: You know what? Just watch out, because if something were to
happen, Hillary’s back on the ticket.
The reason why I made
reference to what Jim Sparks said about the flow of time being like a
giant river… you can divert it, but you better keep it in place with a
lot of energy. Otherwise it’s going to try to head back to where it was
flowing and where it wants to flow in the first place, like water
If Hillary is on the ticket, there’s good
reason to believe that we’re all in a great deal of trouble, because
what happens after that is a whole bunch of nuclear
Now we’ve got George Green, who we
haven’t yet spoken about in this conversation. George Green, for those
of your listeners who don’t know him… He was an ex-Air Force engineer.
He was in banking. He was in construction. He was in politics. He has a
lot of friends in high places. And he is also somebody who has been in
contact with the Pleiadians and other
extra-terrestrial sources, for quite a number of years. He has a very
unique résumé, as it were. And he’s been talking about this stuff for
quite a while.
One of the things that inspired us to create
Project Avalon was because George Green said that in his
communications that he has received from the Pleiadians... the
Pleiadians being off planet, human-appearing, benevolent,
extra-terrestrials; maybe they come from another place in time, we don’t
know. But he gets a lot of information from them.
He said that it’s almost too late. This is what he said. Almost
too late. And he made references to a bunch of people he calls “the
He wrote a little book which… He almost kind of took this book by
dictation, which is available on his website for free. It‘s called
Messages for the Ground Crew.
D: You have the URL for that?
it’s called nomorehoaxes.com.
actually a set of three books. Another one’s called Embracing the
Rainbow. Another one’s called Handbook for the New Paradigm.
The first one he wrote with the aid of the Pleiadians is Handbook for the New
Paradigm and that was the one that actually talked about
people getting ready, moving into rural areas, establishing small
communities - basically what we’re attempting to do now with Project
Avalon to provide a network where that sort of thing can
But I have to say this book was written several years
ago. So he was way ahead of the curve. And now what his communicators
are telling him is that we… the time is actually past for
educating people, that we are getting very close to the time when
these events would actually start to happen.
And they do talk
about a war behind the scenes between their faction,
the Pleiadians and various other benevolent ETs
and the negative-oriented entities that are out there working
with the US military among other groups, certainly the
So you see there is a scenario behind the scenario that you
actually have to keep in mind.
But at any rate, we are getting
information and George is one of the people that has been talking about
the whole economic downturn. He has predicted this very accurately, what
is even as we speak, what is happening here this month. We were told
September would be the month. And sure enough, it appears to be when the
economy would begin to crash very seriously.
We had been told by
him a year ago to put all our money in gold or silver and get it out of
the market. We followed his advice. Once upon a time that was really
good advice. I have to say that unfortunately The Powers That Be seem
to be hitting the gold and silver markets very seriously the last month,
which was another indicator that something big was coming
along, because they were driving down the price of gold, one
might think so that they could, I guess, get into the market, and then
be prepared for what’s happening right now in which gold and silver are
now starting to go back up.
We’ve got Michael St. Claire also talking about these sorts of things, by
So what is happening, what we’re looking at right now,
is information we’re getting from a lot of different sources and it all
is coming together around the month of October, basically saying that in
the month of October there seems to be some event that seems to want to
be taking place. It’s not going to be a positive event.
wish I could say it was, but it will have something to do with either
postponing the election or making it such that the Neocons will get
their sort of agenda back on track after their debacle of Georgia.
And we don’t know what the event is, so we can’t actually say
anything about… too much about that.
B: Do you want to say anything about Hawkeye,
Kerry? Tell them about Hawkeye, our source.
K: OK, well
Hawkeye is sort of a whistleblower from within the Illuminati. He calls
them “The Roths.” [laughs] And he says that… Well, I can’t… I have to be
very careful as to how much detail I go into because we do want to
protect him. We published a lot of information from him on our blog
which is, again, on the front page of Project Camelot.
And he was
basically telling us all the same things that Henry Deacon was telling
us, that we were getting from other sources, George Green, and a number
of other deep black sources. And he’s a very interesting guy. He’s
written us, I think, for the past year, and we’ve got a huge score of
emails from him, basically telling us it’s getting closer. The time’s
getting closer. Their agenda is being rolled out.
His point of
view is that the… Whatever the White Hats are trying to do, they’re
actually not going to be successful. I have to say that because of his
position, because he feels so oppressed, if you will… He’s, you know,
heavily monitored. He used to work for the Illuminati. Basically he’s
had to buy into their scenario.
He believes their power is pretty much a done
B: What he said is that there would be a major event
that he said, basically… I mean, he used very dramatic language. He said
it would be the coup d'état for the human race and he said this
would in the first 10 days of October.
K: Right. And
what’s weird about that is there’s also this half-past-human website
that’s also doing data mining on the web, using language and computers
to create… I guess they’ve been doing a whole layout like a graph of
where people are at and certain events. And they did it for 9-11. They
predicted accurately the recent resignation within a day of
Mushariff. We are hoping to possibly interview them. I know
they’ve been interviewed by Rense. But there’s a lot of information on
their site about October.
I have another little ingredient that
just came to us recently, which is, the Arlington Institute has
apparently been alerted somehow and they’re a think-tank, one would say,
for certain factions of the American government, certainly, in which
they are collecting now data, and asking for dreams and visions of
people pertaining to the month of October.
So we’re getting such
a coalition of evidence and information from so many different sources
about this particular time-span. I myself have had a dream, a prophetic
dream, if you will. We’re going to be interviewing Miriam Delicado who has
a website called alienbluestar.com. And she
is a contactee from the Pleiadians as well, and she has been
getting information about October.
So we don’t know what the
event is. We do know that it could be something to do with postponing
the election. We have heard that it is some kind of massive event,
on the order of a 911-type of thing, however we don’t know
G: Let me ask either one of you about this
catastrophe. Is it just some time in October? Is that what you’re
getting or hearing? Or are you getting anything about that? Is that what
I’m understanding here?
K: Well, we have to say that we’re
not getting a specific date.
D: Well, you’re hearing…
K: Half Past
Human is saying they have gotten… They’ve charted it down to actually a
date which is October 7th. What we’re getting is that it’s sometime
in the month of October, and that there’s a build-up that has
B: Having said that, our source,
Hawkeye, specifically said the first ten days of October, which
is an alarming correlation in itself.
G: Which is really interesting, guys, because if you
look the developments that have been going on. It was in the news today
about Iran has once again, you know, thumbed their nose at the European
community about nuclear testing, about proceeding with developing their
nuclear abilities. And then, of course, we have the Pakistanis being
very upset with the Americans who are launching commando raids into
Pakistan. It just seems like, you know, maybe the pieces are falling
into place here, you know, especially in light of what’s been going on
in Georgia as well.
K: Well, you guys had asked us during
the break if we could talk about why we’re being able to get information
out there, and if we’ve been attacked in any way.
D: And that’s a great question. Let’s hang on to that
one for just a moment. We’re coming down to the bottom of the hour, the
last half hour. Man, this time has gone fast. Jeepers!
In the remaining time that we have, what would you
like to say? What message would you really like to get out there? And I
do have a question after you go.
B: First of all, I’m a
Brit, as you can tell. And during the Second World War the Brits
experienced something which they called The Spirit of the Blitz.
And The Spirit of the Blitz was a community spirit that arose
spontaneously in London when it was being bombed by the
The authorities didn’t have to do as much as they might
have had to do because the citizens did it themselves. The citizens took
care of each other; they took care of each other’s medical needs; they
took each other into their homes when their homes had been wrecked. They
put out fires. They provided food and water for each other.
community spirit was incredibly strong. This is - if you don’t mind my
waving our Union Jack here - this is one of the reasons, and with
American help of course, the Nazis were defeated.
Now, we’re more
vulnerable now than we have ever been before because that community
spirit - in the days of the internet where people are partially
connected by technology but also partially disconnected by it - we’re
living in an age where we don’t know our neighbors. We don’t know the
people who live on the other side of that anonymous door on the other
side of the corridor in our apartment block.
We don’t really live
in communities in the way that we used to. We’re much more isolated.
We’re much more mobile. And even the family unit isn’t as strong as it
used to be. And this is our weakness.
But back to Project
Avalon, what we’re trying to do there is, we’re trying to rekindle
the spirit of community, because that would be the strength if times
become tough. We’re much more likely to be able to have a smooth ride
through whatever the next few years brings for us if we know who our
neighbors are, if we are in touch with our families, if we forget our
little squabbles and we learn how to work together with people who maybe
we might have trivial disagreements with or whom we decide we don’t
And these communities don’t have to be avant garde
communities like Findhorn or Esalen or Damanhur or
any of these other places. It could be a street, or it could be a
district, or a city, or it could be a small bunch of people in an area
who know that they can count on each other if things are
And this is what George Green, who I was
talking about half an hour ago, referred to when he talked about the
Ground Crew, that there are some people out there who will not listen to
any of these problems. They won’t be woken up. I mean them no
disrespect, but they’re NOT awake and alert to what is happening, but
other people are. And the people who are listening to this show, by
default these will be those people who are at the front line, and who
They’re thinking: What can I do? What can I do? Everyone’s
situation is different.
On Project Avalon which we formed
so we could create solutions, we have a forum which is exploded into the
most extraordinary activity, thousands of viewers in just a few
And there are people there… There are whole threads on this
forum which are devoted to groups getting together, people saying: Hey,
listen, I’m in Idaho; who else in Idaho? Or: I’m in New Zealand; who
else is in New Zealand? Or: I’m in the Bronx and I’m stuck here, is
there anyone else in New York? I want to know who you are because I want
to know who I can trust.
And these people are getting together.
They’re forming groups, they’re forming networks, they’re making plans
and establishing meeting places.
Now, this doesn’t have to be
like negative catastrophic thinking, because these are good things to
happen even if nothing bad goes down. And so, to some degree, it is
about a renaissance. It is about a reconnection. It is about people
connecting with each other and rebuilding the kind of society and the
kind of networking that is the sign of a healthy society. We’re finding
that our society is not as healthy as it used to be in the past. And if
these threats of geopolitical events spur us on to talking to people
we’ve forgotten how to talk to, then that’s actually no bad
And the other thing I want to say, must more briefly than
I have just said, is that we create our own future. As the Buddhists
say: We are dreamers that are dreaming each others’ dreams. All
of this is a very solid-looking dream that we find ourselves
And the future is not written in stone despite all this high
technology that we were talking about, to do with timelines and timeline
variations. They exist probabilities and possibilities. And we can
create any future that we want, any future that we choose, and we human
beings have the ability to do this.
Bill Birnes, who is
the editor of UFO Magazine and a very well-respected UFO
researcher… at the end of his life he interviewed Admiral George
Hoover before he died.
D: Bill Birnes didn’t die. Major
B: Admiral Hoover died. And before he died,
Admiral Hoover told Bill Birnes what all this secrecy was REALLY all
about. And it was really fascinating, because it’s like, well, OK, so
some guys crashed in 1947. They had a weird aircraft and they looked at
bit funny… and why is this secret? Why?
And Bill Birnes was told
by Hoover that it’s not about the visitors. It’s not about their
technology. It’s not even about the information that they brought with
them about our future and other things.
He said that the
biggest secret is the fact that we human beings are more powerful than
we have ever dreamed that we are. That is the biggest secret. We
don’t know our own power.
And The Powers That Be don’t want us to know our power,
and we are being kept in the dark.
What Bill Birnes Said
[Launch in external
Admiral George Hoover, ONI ... said he KNEW that these
entities were not so much interplanetary, but they were literally time
travelers, and the big secret is that they were us from the
And that we and they have the same powers, and that was
the real fear of the government: that we have the ability to
manipulate reality around us. We've always had that ability, we
just didn't know how to use it...
We are being educated that we are animated hunks of meat, that we
are here by accident with no spiritual heritage, no purpose, no meaning
to our lives. And that this is not true. And that if this secret got
out, then it would be so easy to end this game that’s been in place for
thousands of years with the Illuminati and the
Luciferian Satanists that are running the show.
us to believe that we are powerless. And we are NOT powerless. And
that’s the message that I want to leave your audience. So I’m going to
step down from my soapbox there [laughs] and Kerry can have the last few
K: That’s absolutely what we believe and how we try
to live our lives. What is most important is to reach a ratio of the
number of awake minds on the planet that have broken free of the matrix.
And who begin to understand what powerful co-creators we are. And then
all we have to do is unite with a vision for the positive future that
we’d like to see for ourselves. And that’s when we will begin to change
and turn the tide.
And I have to say that I think what’s
happening now is that that’s actually what’s going on. And we hope that
Project Camelot and Project Avalon are all part of that
scenario which is unfolding.
Because our planet is going through
a major consciousness change. We're entering a place where we can create
whatever we think. Therefore, be careful what you think! Be careful what
you desire, because you will see it manifest quite instantly.
so, this is part of a new future that we have at our fingertips, really.
And what is happening with the timelines that we’ve been describing and
the fact that suddenly all bets are off and suddenly they changed so
quickly that plans that have been in place for years and years by The
Powers That Be and their minions - which is just average people
feeling that they are powerless, giving their power over to the ruling
class, and allowing them to manipulate them - if they take their power
back and begin to rethink what it is we’re doing here on the planet.
Because this is a grand experiment and the reality is that we
are all spiritual beings much far beyond our physical
D: Well you know, excellent, excellent information. We
are now down to less than 2 minutes remaining, and wow, you know, a lot
of stuff to think about, a lot of information! And you guys have just
been incredible. Let me repeat the websites: projectcamelot.org and
projectavalon.net. For a forum of discussions on similar topics, these
same topics and others, please visit the websites that Bill and Kerry
have. Donate to their cause. Help them to continue their
And we also invite you to visit paranexus.org - we’re a professional
association of paranormal researchers - as well as our database,
We really want to say thank you to all of our
listeners. I think we blew away our highs from before. We’ve had an
awesome lot of listeners tonight, an amazing number. We really
appreciate you taking your time.
G: Absolutely! And Bill and Kerry, it was a real
pleasure to have you on the show, and you know, if time permits we’d
certainly like to have you come back in the future to continue putting
the message out there. The work that you do is wonderful and truly
appreciated. I wish I could share with you all the comments, the
wonderful comments, we’ve got in the chat-room about how much folks
appreciate the hard work that you do. So thank you so very much. It’s
been a real, real pleasure and we’d like to get together with you folks
again some time.
D: We are at the end of our rope here on the program,
folks. Thanks again so much. You have a great night. We’ll see you next
G: Goodnight everybody.