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Can you explain more clearly the differences between
Elementals, animalistic Elementals, “young” Gods, “mature” Gods and of
course “free and autonomous minds”?
The first four are what
I call “collective astral entities”, made up of a group of astral
souls linked together with strands of astral matter that conduct
astral energy as a metal wire conducts electricity. Studied by itself,
each of these astral souls is structure of living astral matter very
similar to one of the independent astral entities your question calls
“free and autonomous minds” and WiH (War in Heaven) calls
“Free Spirits”. Any astral soul, whether independent or part of a
collective entity, can also be called an “astral body”, and possess
its own astral mind and personality structure.
In order to make
a reasonably coherent comparison of the different types of collective
astral entities, I have to begin by describing the simplest form that
these entities take, which you didn’t include in your question:
These are groups of linked spirits that can range in size from
two or three individuals up to hundreds.
In most cases, one of
these spirits is Dominant Theocrat the spirit whose
astral mind controls and dominates the astral minds of the other
spirits in the Band by sending energy impulses along the strands that
bind the members of the Band together. However, the degree of autonomy
possessed by the minds of subordinate spirits in a Theocratic
Band varies considerably.
Some have almost none, and are
for all practical purposes “mindless slaves”. Others are “Subordinate
Theocrats” with a degree of autonomy as long as they enjoy the
Dominant Theocrat’s favor. In some large Theocratic Bands, the
original Theocrat becomes insane or senile and is replaced by a
“junta” of several Subordinate Theocrats. This is usually temporary,
and one of the Subordinates usually takes power and either drives out
the other Subordinates, or totally enslaves them.
minds of all of the spirits in a Theocratic Band deteriorate at a slow
but steady pace. Eventually, the Dominant Theocrat goes senile or
insane and there is no Subordinate Theocrat in the Band who is still
in a good enough mental condition to take over. At this point, the
Band becomes an Elemental.
Large Elemental Bands usually hang
around places where large religious rituals used to be held but are no
longer used for this purpose. Small Elemental Bands are often found in
“haunted houses”. However, Elementals are free to move around, and
actually can turn up almost anywhere.
The difference between
“ordinary” and “animalistic” Elementals is one of degree, not of kind.
Ordinary Elementals often communicate with the living telepathically
using recognizable verbal and visual images, though they still appear
obviously delusional and irrational. Animalistic Elementals are less
sane than this, and usually just project raw emotion with little
content that stimulates a response from the intellect of the living
recipient of their telepathic messages.
something entirely different.
They are composed of what WiH calls “Elohim Spirits”, which
have astral souls somewhat different from those of any of the spirits
The chief differences are:
They have astral minds which can link together into a group
mind that is a “whole that is greater than the sum of its parts”. In
other words a collective that is not just one mind dominating
others, but autonomous individual minds working in concert
The astral minds of Elohim Spirits don’t deteriorate if they
link their astral bodies to other astral souls; in fact, they
deteriorate if such linkages don’t occur.
As far as I know, the only difference between “young” Gods and
“mature” Gods is the number of Elohim spirits involved and the degree
to which they have learned to function in unison as part of a group
However, according to WiH, the Gods contain ordinary
human spirits as well as Elohim spirits. Supposedly, the Elohim
spirits take good care of them, and are able to prevent their
astral minds from deteriorating. The Elohim say such ordinary human
spirits have to be included if new Gods are to be created on a planet
like Earth, because these are the kind of astral souls spontaneously
generated by earthly physical bodies if an existing soul does not
incarnate in an infant. In other words, the Elohim can incarnate on
Earth and can live indefinitely on its astral plane in a disembodied
state, but they can’t reproduce here.
Since a God has to
contain millions of individual astral bodies, and there are not that
many Elohim spirits on Earth, (I have no idea of the number), ordinary
souls have to be included. I believe the Elohim when they explain why
they include ordinary astral souls in the Gods, but I’ve always had
serious doubt about how well these souls are treated over long periods
Here is some new information that isn’t in WiH:
My guess, and it’s only a guess, is that during the Last
Days, the Elohim are going to round up all the astral souls
trapped in Theocratic Bands and Elemental Bands, erase most of the
contents of their astral minds, and use them as “building material”
in the new Gods. They will then invite Free Spirits that they think
are suitable for the job to volunteer as “colonists” astral
souls whose memories and conscience will remain intact until they
reincarnate on some distant world.
(I certainly won’t volunteer. If my soul can “slip through a
wormhole” or something and reincarnate on some distant world with an
advanced civilization right away, I’ll consider it. Otherwise, I’ll
stay and accept my fate as an ordinary Earth Person. The idea of
riding one of those Gods for millions of years makes my skin
This answer is a guess, because I’ve never been able to get a
straight answer on this from the Elohim spirits, and the “Space
People” can’t tell me either, because of
When some free minds regroup, can they can something else,
another kind of structure than “God” or “Elemental”? In this
structure, are the memories and the conscience of each mind still
Both the Elohim spirits and the Free
Spirits have always assured me that no other kind of structure is
possible. I’ve always found this difficult to believe, but there’s no
way I can channel further information on the subject.
For this reason, the subject of “other collective astral
entities” is an area where information from sources other than my
Spirit Guides is going to be very important to the present WiH
Do our survival reflexes and our egocentrism serve as kind
of tool or asset to help us maintain our mind as a autonomous
My Spirit Guides tell me to say “No, but…” on
To elaborate, survival reflexes are programs in the
subconscious mind that are triggered by traumatic events and motivate
us to take instant action to deal with the emergency “before we have
time to think”. Some may be programmed into us genetically, others are
learned from experience during the present lifetime, and still others
may be past-life memories.
Whatever the origin of their
survival reflexes, very few people have the specialized ones needed to
avoid Theocratic entrapment on the Astral Plane when they Pass
Over. My own past life memories contain such reflexes, as was
evident in my OBEs, but I’m a very unusual person.
egocentrism actually decreases a person’s chances of avoiding
Theocratic entrapment. The egocentric person is especially prone to
manipulation by flattery, and the Theocrats are masters of
On the other hand, it is quite possible to program
yourself during life with survival reflexes that will allow you to
increase your chances of avoiding Theocratic entrapment after death.
WiH describes some of these quite plainly: instinctively shy away from
other spirits and think,
“Talk, but don’t touch”, is one
“Think carefully before you do anything”, is
“Search your astral subconscious mind for programs that will
help you use telepathy and other psychic powers
The instructions in WiH are less clear on how to do this.
Many different systems of occultism and spiritual practice can
teach these skills, and since variations in individual personality
structures require different systems, the book can’t recommend any
particular ones. People just have to shop around until they find a
system that works for them. The process is not easy, but it is
The same applies to egocentrism. It is bad in itself,
but strengthening the conscious will, increasing one’s moral courage
and integrity, etc. is a good idea. Doing this may appear to an
outside observer to also increase egocentrism, but this is an
These skills can usually be learned through the same system a
given individual uses to learn survival reflexes that will be useful
on the Other Side.
Does an Elemental have a will or a conscience? Are they all
dangerous or are some of them are benevolent ?
ordinary Elemental has some conscious will, but not as much as
an ordinary, sane person. An animalistic Elemental has little
of either. Both devote most of their energy to going around devouring
any weak disembodied souls that don’t have the sense to run from them.
They are all dangerous, and if some appear benevolent, it is a
ruse to get living people to either make human or animal sacrifices to
them, or as the least, to allow the Elemental to such energy from
their astral soul.
The IC’s (Invisible College) advice is to
avoid them completely, both on the Earth Plane and on the
Astral Plane after you pass over.
When a spirit is taken into a young God, what does it lose?
When a it is taken into an old God, does it lose something different?
And what is given in exchange?
I think I covered this in my
answer to Question 1.
If a soul is eaten by an elemental, does this mean that its
mind loses everything memories, conscience, autonomy? Does it
just wither away and die as its energy flows into the
Yes, I’m afraid this true. And this can happen
quite quickly, not over a period of many years, as often happens to a
soul trapped in an ordinary Theocratic Band.
All I can do is repeat what my Spirit Guides have told
me so many times stay away from
In the Last Days scenario, it seems that the only escape is
reincarnation. Why? And where? On earth again?
your last question first right now, the Invisible College
(IC) has no definitive answer to this question. Nobody knows
when the Last Days will arrive or how much damage will be done to the
Earth’s ecosystem in the process. The human race may end up having to
live permanently in space colonies if it survives at all.
Or people may be able to live on Earth, but only underground or
under domes. No one know how large a population any of these scenarios
will sustain, how much of our present knowledge and technology will
survive, or how human civilization will evolve from that
Your first question is one that many people keep asking
over and over, because nobody likes the IC’s answer, which is repeated
many times in WiH (War in Heaven). Yes,
the only escape is reincarnation.
If there are “Higher Planes” the IC spirits don’t know
any more about them than we do.
Well, there’s that “astral souls creeping through wormholes”
idea, but the IC doesn’t talk much about it. I think it’s pretty rare,
and talking about it tends to make people more prone to theocratic
I read some material saying that reincarnation on earth is a
trap and an illusion. We are caught in a web of pain and deception,
forced to submit to the power of entities and paternalistic
theocracies. Is this idea true? Considering what life on Earth is
like, do you really think that a system of endless reincarnation is a
One of the most important points in WiH is that
reincarnation can be empirically proven if one conducts the research
properly, and in fact, books describing such proofs have already been
published. Some of them are listed in the WiH Bibliography, and
many better ones have been published since.
Neither I nor my
Spirit Guides ever said that “endless reincarnation is a good thing”.
The whole idea is that anyone who says something simplistic like that
is trying to fool you. The reality is that the Astral Plane has just
as much pain, deception, paternalism, etc. as the Earth
However, Earthly life has plenty of good aspects to
balance out the bad aspects, especially if you work hard to maximum
the good and minimize the bad.
A soul trapped in a Theocratic band experiences little of the
good, and has even less chance of improving its lot through its own
efforts than a person in an earthly prison
What really and deeply happens to a mind immersed in a
Theocratic Band after the so-called “death”?
I seem to
remember that there’s more material on this in the description of
“Theocratic Bands” in the 1988 WiH than Gerry (Zeitlin)
included in his summary for the Notes.
It’s the kind of heart-wrenching emotionalism that I try to keep to a
minimum, but there are areas where it is necessary to put it in. Most
likely, a more detailed excerpt will be included when I create a Topic
in the WiH Forum for discussing
Here are a few details that will give you a
general idea. They are a rough paraphrase of some of the original
material that I just channeled for the current WiH
Many Christians eagerly join a Theocratic Band
believing they are entering Heaven. And they can perceive what
seem to be “golden streets” except that they all seem to lead back to
the same room, where there’s a dull church service going on. It’s
being conducted by a very authoritarian preacher who spouts a lot of
apparent nonsense and the congregation is expected to greet every
pause with enthusiastic “Amens”.
If someone asks, “When can I
meet Jesus?” the answer is “You aren’t ready for that yet.” And
a lot of the other worshippers seem to be babbling idiots or raving
But the trapped soul can’t escape those streets
always lead back to the same room. After a while, the person begins to
“This is really Hell”, but tries to fights those thoughts
off, knowing that, “This way lies madness.”
Slowly, he or she does become more and more despondent and
delusional, and experiences an ever-increasing lethargy as
When you talk about low and high stages of development, what
do you mean? When you say that a person is in a low stage of
development, are you referring to someone who completely mind
controlled and submits to a religion to the point of being essentially
without free will? What are the criteria that determine whether we are
low or high in maturity?
Well the reality sounds quite
elitist to anyone with a “modern, progressive” viewpoint. It’s one of
those aspects of the WiH information that “I wish wasn’t true, but
have to admit that it is.”
The human astral soul evolves slowly
over the course of many lives, if the person is able to evade
Theocratic entrapment and keep reincarnating. People who make a
deliberate effort to gain access to their subconscious mind and make
use of the programs they find there such as the ones used in
practicing telepathy make more progress along this line of
evolution that people who don’t.
Having spontaneous flashes of
past-life memory is a sign that someone is at a higher than average
state of development. As Krishna tells Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita,
This kind of elitist thinking was one of the factors
that created the infamous Hindu Caste System, but there’s still
a kernel of truth behind it.
And yes, what WiH calls a “New
Soul” a person whose astral soul was created during the present
lifetime because the soul of a deceased person didn’t incarnate in the
body during infancy usually has less free will, creative
intelligence, etc. than one of the “Twice Born”. Such people almost
never learn enough psychic skills during earthly life to reincarnate
without help from the IC after they pass over.
complicated by the fact that such people are also especially prone to
give in to Theocratic mind control during physical life they
have neither the will nor the skills to resist.
This is a reason why Theocratic religions have always
promoted population growth: it gives them a steady supply
of New Souls to feed on.
What can you tell me about the souls of animals and plants?
Our domestic animals for instance? Where do they come from and what
role do they play in the War in Heaven?
This is mentioned
briefly in WiH, but in a way that discourages readers from thinking
too much about the matter. Animals and plants do have astral souls,
and these aren’t necessarily “primitive” by our standards they
are just “different”. The astral genome of each species is different
from that of every other species, and all are different enough from
the human genome that human/animal reincarnation is not possible.
Animal sacrifices do produce “food” for Theocrats, but it is
“nutritionally inferior” and they much prefer human
During the channeling of WiH in the Eighties, when
I pressed my Spirit Guides for further information on this
topic, I was always brushed off with statements such as “this is
beyond the scope of our present mission, which is to help human beings
learn more about the nature of their particular spiritual reality.”
Since then, I have channeled a little more information on this
subject, but it is still sketchy.
Here’s a sample: Other
species live in other realities, but speculation about this is often
used by the Theocrats as a distraction to divert serious seekers of
spiritual knowledge from becoming aware of their existence and
learning to resist their mind-control techniques.
I’m content with this my limited human intelligence has
enough trouble just understanding and communicating the WiH
According to the Gnostic “faith”, a kind of plan was
developed to impose a paternalistic theocracy on Earth based on the
belief in salvation. This plan is based on the assumption that “God is
Perfect, humans are not”, and that we must obey and submit in order to
be “saved”. The Gnostics believe that this devious plan was of
alien origin, brought to Earth by a demiurge creature, the Archon and that it
spreads from person to person like an infection. What do you think
If I didn’t know any more about Gnosticism than
the brief sketch you give in your questions, I’d say, “This sounds
very much like a rephrasing of some of the most essential ideas in
However, the reality, as I’ve seen it over the course of my
life, is much more complicated. There are many different groups, each
claiming “We are the True Gnostic Faith”. I agree with the doctrines
of some much more than I agree with the doctrines of
For example, “Gnostica Magazine” was one of the few
wide-circulation publications that gave the 1988 WiH a serious review.
It wasn’t a rave review, by any means, but it wasn’t just a dismissal
of the ideas either. The reviewer made one statement that instantly
impressed me as being really favorable, but he then went on to make it
clear that it really didn’t impress him that way.
As I recall
the statement after seventeen years, it went something like “The
theories in WiH are just materialistic humanism carried one step
higher, to include reincarnation, and psychic powers.” This struck as
so apt that I quoted it out of context to promote the book. By itself,
it’s an excellent nut-shell summary of some of the most essential
ideas in WiH (War in
However, the editor of the magazine later
told me in private correspondence that, “Personally, I prefer to
believe in a God who transcends the concepts described in you
book.” Our correspondence just withered away after
Looking back, I think the people who reviewed WiH were
what one might call “conservative” Gnostics, and the people who wrote
the material you are quoting might be called “radical” Gnostics. Of
course, I’d be surprised if people in either group would like to be
labeled like that.
I do know that many different works that are
considered traditional Gnostic literature have considerable amounts of
WiH information embedded in them.
Right now, it looks to me like “radical” Gnostics have a role
to play in the IC’s present major effort to make these ideas public,
but I don’t yet know how it relates to the role I’m playing.
I’ll just have to wait and see.
According to the Gnostics, again, our true resources come
from the Earth, from Nature, from an intelligence that incarnates in
the planet itself. What do you think about that?
worked on the previous WiH Project back in the Eighties and Nineties,
my opinion on this was the same as my opinion on animals having souls
that I discussed previously.
Roughly, it was:
“There’s a lot of important truth to be learned by studying
this subject, but it’s not directly applicable to the ‘main
mission’, and it has been used as a Theocratic distraction mechanism
to an even greater extent.
“It appears self-evident to me
that the idea of the Earth as a sentient, spiritual being and the
idea that animals and plants have souls that survive death and
undergo evolution are part of the same general concept. However, I’m
still limiting the scope of my inquiries, and I also have to point
out that it’s very easy for people to leap from the idea of an
“Intelligent Planet” to a “Great Mother Goddess” who seems to behave
just as tyrannically as the “God the Father Almighty” of the
Now that I’m working on the current WiH project and people who
call themselves Gnostics are circulating very similar ideas, embedded
in a slightly different “myth” or worldview, I may have to rethink
some of this.
In any case, your questions point out some of the
apparent differences in the two “myths” very well.
My snap judgment on the matter right now is that points of
agreement are major and the points of disagreement are just details
that may even prove illusory when closely
When a “non religious” person dies, what are the chances
that he or she will be able to avoid be entrapped by Elementals or
Theocratic Bands? And what happens if a person who avoids Theocratic
entrapment doesn’t want to be involved in reincarnation or connected
to a God, either?
Well, I say in WiH that non-believers
have an advantage over believers in avoiding Theocratic entrapment
after they Pass Over. And I say that some astral souls at a low
stage of spiritual development avoid Theocratic entrapment by accident
and just wander aimlessly on the Astral Plane until they wither away
from “starvation”. I call such people “Lost Souls”.
would apply to more advanced souls who recognize the Theocrats for
what they are, but are looking for “something better” if they kept
looking indefinitely, but this is very rare. The vast majority
eventually decide to reincarnate even though they find the idea of
another go-round in this “vale of tears” to be repugnant.
chance to be involved in the creation of a God may eventually
give a lot of them an “easy way out” of this dilemma, though I still
have my personal doubts about the wisdom of doing this, as I stated
In any case, that opportunity isn’t presently available, and
may not happen on a wide scale during the lifetimes of most of the
people who read what I’m writing here.
My next question is about the entropy of the mind. It seems,
according to the material contained in WiH, that the mind is subject
to entropy: it will age, become senile, and could eventually wither
away and disappear completely unless it goes into another incarnation
or is connected with a God. What is the nature of this death? Does the
mind really disappear or is it possible that it goes to another place,
another astral plane unknown to the IC?
First of all, it is
necessary to make a clear distinction between the astral mind and the
astral soul, just as it is make one between the physical mind and the
physical body. Both the physical body and the astral soul contain
neural tissue that acts as a "biocomputer". The mind is simply a name
for the data stored in that computer and the software used for
processing that data.
This means that the mind is not
directly subject to entropy, but the
hardware it is stored in can certainly deteriorate or be completely
destroyed. And the astral mind goes where the astral soul goes, just
as the physical mind goes where the physical body goes.
already said in my answer to an earlier question that there may very
well be "another plane" that the spirits I am in contact with don't
know about. However, the WiH ideas in general make it obvious that the
information on this subject that I have been able to obtain from other
sources, such as religious literature, can be explained away as
Theocratic deceptions. I can't directly prove-this, of course, but
it's the best conclusion I can draw from the available
There is plenty of evidence to support reincarnation,
survival of the soul on the astral plane between lives, and telepathic
communication between living people and disembodied spirits.
On the other hand, most of the claims about "supernatural
beings" and "eternal life in Heaven or hell" can either be explained
in terms of the three things I just mentioned, or they can't be
supported with evidence at all.
Are the human soul and disembodied spirits on the astral
plane subject to entropy? If so, what is the nature of this
Entropy on the astral plane is exactly the same as
entropy on the physical plane. Complex things tend to break down into
The astral body needs nourishment to survive just as the
physical body does, and it also tends to deteriorate with age just as
the physical body does.
We must admit logically that our eternal and infinite
Universe, "the Great All and Everything" must have a source of
creation not a beginning but a source, a transcendental one.
Does the IC have information about this all-knowing and infinite
source that I supposed could be the God of all gods?
never been self-evident to me that the existence of the universe is
evidence that it has a "source". There's evidence that it has "evolved
over time", but time also is part of the universe.
I'm quite willing to admit that I simply don't know, and my
Spirit Guides have always told me they feel the
Some authors speculate that human minds are controlled by reptilian entities. The
symbolism of reptile and snake is quite important in our history. Does
it have a meaning for you and for the IC?
Well, the snake
is mentioned in WiH as being a symbol of reincarnation in many
mythologies, because it sheds its skin periodically. The reptile
crawls away looking younger, and the cast off skin often resembles a
I've channeled the information several times over
the years that some of the extraterrestrial spirits who now incarnate
on Earth once inhabited reptilian bodies on other worlds. However, my
Guides have made it clear to me that telepathic contact with such
spirits is not the source of most of the visions of reptilian monsters
that people have had throughout history.
The actual explanation is that sane spirits usually transmit
“normal” images of themselves when they communicate with people
telepathically, and insane spirits often transmit ugly or frightening
images. I once asked for clarification of this from my Guides and
received a fleeting image of an actual "lizard man".
He looked like a small dinosaur with hands, but the eyes looked
almost like human eyes familiar rather than
I've received many images of "monsters",
everything from Whitley Streiber's "grays" to Richard Shaver's
"deros", and most of them seemed to be the same kind of distortions of
the human image that are common in schizophrenic