Cassidy: I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot, and we're here
introducing Dan Sherman. He's a very, very, fascinating guy, and
we are very interested and excited to be able to interview him here
He's a little bit hard to catch - he's not been doing
interviews lately, and I think he keeps a very low profile. I don't know
if that's intentional or if that's just the way the cards
Dan, maybe you could give us a short overview of just who
you are, and what an amazing story you have to tell.
Sherman: Sure. I went into the military, just like any 18 year-old,
right out of high school. I was in a certain job - a security police
job, and at some point I was kind of led to another job, which was
This job provided me access to a higher
security classification, and so I got top-secret clearances and SCI
clearances. That led me into a world where the... well, to back up, the
military kind of had a plan for me, as it was revealed later on, but at
this point I didn't know that was going on.
But evidently, it was
after I had gone into this other electronic intelligence field that I
went to a school to get trained for it. I was called into an office, the
Captain's office; he was in charge of the school, I believe it was. I
went into his office, and he revealed this amazing story to
I - at birth, or actually in the womb - I was genetically managed to
have a particular ability, and this ability was what he called
'intuitive communications'. How this happened was - and this is where a
lot of people rolls their eyes, and I rolled my eyes at the time - and I
was like, “I can't believe this is happening to me.”
But he said
that my mother was abducted when she was pregnant with me. The fetus -
which was me - was genetically managed. He said everybody had this
particular ability that I was genetically managed for, but mine was just
heightened to an nth degree.
I was at the school to not
only learn a certain particular procedure for my job, my regular job,
electronic intelligence, but I was also there to go to another school,
which was to uncover this ability that I have. I had the ability, but it
was like I wasn't able to control it or to know it was there until it
was uncovered to me so I could practice at it, so to speak.
told me where to meet the van and told me all the logistics of how it
would operate and I started going to a school that would allow me to
uncover this ability and to practice it.
That was at
nighttime - in the daytime, I was going to my regular schooling for the
job that I was doing - electronic
K: How old were you at this
D: I have to have a caveat here, because one of the
things that I can't reveal in the book has to do with locations, because
this is how they hide this type of thing.
You are assigned to a
'black' assignment, which is legitimately classified for a reason -
because of national security, etc. They do that so they can keep
the gray related projects attached to black related projects, so that
they would have a reason to have heightened security at that
Therefore, they assign people who are a part of gray
projects to these black projects. There's a reason to get them to that
location, and there's a reason for them to be there, and it's all under
the guise of the black project and the funding of the black project,
So my complication in writing the book is that I don't want
to reveal national security issues, because that's legitimate. I mean I
don't want our country being crippled by my big mouth.
But by the
same token, I do want to reveal the gray projects, which have
nothing to do with national security and have everything to do with
power to the government.
So I have to be very careful as to what
I release, as far as the gray project goes; how it relates to the black
projects that I worked on. One of those is the location that I was at,
at a particular time and at a particular age. I don't want to correlate
I see. Okay.
D: I'm not trying to evade the issue. I mean
it is kind of a simple question: “What year were you doing
Anybody can look at my military record and see when I went
to school at the NSA. I mean they can see the trail, so to speak. I can
list all the bases I've been to; but when I start talking about black
projects related to the gray projects, I can't say that in the same
sentence as the base that I have been at.
Okay. Why don't we list the bases you were at, and get those out of the
way? That way you won't have to refer to any specific
D: Sure. I've been at Osan Air Base in Korea; I've
been there actually twice.
I've been to Offutt Air force Base in
Nebraska, which is the SAC Headquarters. I'm not sure if it's called SAC
anymore, Strategic Air Command.
San Vito Dei Normanni - actually,
it's called 'San Vito' - in Italy, in the southern tip of Italy, and
I've been to Buckley International Guard Base, I was stationed there in
And have you mentioned Germany yet?
D: No, I haven't been
stationed in Germany.
D: No. I've done temporary duty there. I've
gone to school there and I was deployed there, but never have been
stationed in Germany.
D: I was stationed in Holland though, and thank you
for bringing me to the European theatre. I was stationed in Holland for
a couple of years. It was my absolute favorite base; I loved
Are we allowed to ask how many years you spent in the
D: Yeah. I was there for twelve years. I went in
1982 when I was eighteen, and I got out in 1995. I spent twelve years
Tell me how you want me to put this... as an alien communicator,
an ET communicator?
D: Well, they called it 'intuitive
Are you an empath as well?
D: No. I don't think I am in
the strict term; however, I can really, really sense people's emotions,
probably more than your average person - but I wouldn't go so far as to
say that I'm an empath because it's not like overbearing or
overpowering. I'm just really sensitive to people's moods and
But, back to this ability... this is an ability that it
is really, really concrete. I mean, it's like we are talking right now;
you say something, and it conveys a message and it is a pretty solid
message. If I need to clarify that message or ask you to clarify it, I
can ask you to clarify it, but it's a very, very concrete communication
that we are doing when we're talking, and that's the same way with the
There's no room for error. You know,
you hear about these people who have the ability to, what's that called,
the remote viewers, they get these senses and these images. It's not
real concrete; it's not like looking at a picture. There's room for
interpretation, but that's not like this. Intuitive communication is
extremely concrete. The communications are there.
Okay, that's great to hear. So, are you saying that you hear a voice in
D: No. No. It's not a
Okay, do you see pictures?
D: It's not vocal and it's not
image based as if when you send - here's a good analogy - when you send
somebody a jpeg image through e-mail; the e-mail itself, the
transmission of that information, is in bits through electronic
And then at the other end, the computer compiles that
information, that electronic information, and then displays an image to
When we think of e-mail, we just think we got a picture. But
actually, we got all kinds of electronic bits and the computer put it in
the form of a picture for you.
So that's the same way with
intuitive communications. The medium itself was not a visual medium, but
when it got to me and my brain assessed that information, it put it into
a picture for me so that I could understand or my mind could convey -
because I had to convey all these communications through a computer to
some place... I have no idea where it went.
But when I got a
communication, I had to convey this communication. So a lot of it was
rendered in pictures in my head; but sometimes it was just rendered in
language, the English language, and sometimes it was rendered in smells
even, sometimes. I could sense a smell.
You're getting a whole picture, not just snippets?
it's a full mode of communications. I can sense things around the
communications, but it was a direct, it's kind of hard to put it in
terms, but you know when we're sitting here in this interview room, when
I'm talking to you and I'm looking at you, I know that there's a picture
there and there's, you know, like a television here and there, so I
understand that that stuff is there.
But our communication is
what is taking up the focus of my attention, and that was the same way
with the intuitive communications - I could sense emotions from my
contact and I could sense a peripheral - it wasn't like here, 'cause
there are a lot of things to sense here, but...
You went in to meet with this man, and he basically told you about your
mother and what you were trained for. Is that right?
Yes. Well, what I was going to be training for. Yeah, he told me about
my mother being abducted and he told me a little bit about the project.
I don't think he knew a lot about the project, I think he was just doing
his job too, which was to be my contact and my handler, so to
And how did that make you feel when you found this out?
You know it's funny when you look back on it now, because I was such a
different person then. Obviously, I was very young - and when you're
young you look at things a lot differently than when you are older and
In retrospect, if I were to been have told that
today, I wouldn't have been so naive as to just accept it; because
today, I'm forty-some years old and you don't accept things at face
value the way you do when you're younger and you have no inhibitions.
You're like, “Yeah, okay, let's do this!”
There was some sort of
skepticism, because I knew that in the military a lot of times you get
joked on or 'punked', or whatever you want to call it... you know,
initiations and stuff. I knew that I was coming to a school and there
was a small worry there that it was a joke and someone was going to jump
out of the closet and say, “Ha-ha, you believe this alien thing!” Of
course, that didn't happen.
But, for the most part, it was the
military; it was the military in me. I said, “Okay, well, this is a
mission and I've got to accept this as just another reality in my life,
and I've got to move on and do what I'm told.” But it was
It was shocking.
D: It was very
Okay, because I was just wondering, did you have experiences in your
childhood that might have prepared you for that moment, such that you
might have accepted it a little quicker, a little easier? You were
almost created to do a certain mission. So it was within your
programming, to use that term very loosely, to be prepared for that
notion. Did you have any conscious memories of your own ET
D: I only did that in retrospect later on as
I thought about it. Of course, it didn't occur to me at that particular
moment when he told me.
Just to clarify also, my mother got
pregnant in a very normal way so that the creation itself was there
normally, but it was one of the questions I had. “Am I human? Am I 100%
And he said, “Yes, you're definitely 100% human. It's
just that your genetic make-up was tweaked a little bit to allow for
this heightened ability.”
And do you have a Celtic background, like many people of that nature
or... you know what I'm saying?
D: You mean for my
D: We're from Europe - northern Europe - England and
France, and I have a little bit of Cherokee in me,
I was going to ask you if you have some Indian. Okay, so there you go.
Did you ever talk to your mother about this?
D: Yes. Yes,
I have talked to my mother. I didn't talk to her until about four years
after the book came out because I just felt that bringing it up to my
mom really wouldn't add anything to the scenario and it just might,
depending on her reaction, have been detrimental to our
So, I had to weight the pros and cons of actually
talking to her about it. If she did have memories of something and she
did accept and support my coming out with what I did come out with - my
story - then it really doesn't add anything to the story because the
story is the story. I mean my experience is the experience, and there is
nothing that's going to take away from that, because it
But her saying that something happened would have been
nice and it would have been a little bit of an addendum to my
experience. But if she didn't have any memories and she didn't accept it
- because it is a hard thing to understand and to believe for a lot of
people - I didn't want to risk our relationship deteriorating because of
It was a difficult decision, but I finally took
her out one day and I told her that I had written a book and she was
Now my mother is not exactly a world traveler you
know, she lives in her own little world and that's it. So I wasn't too
concerned about her running across the book anywhere.
So I told
her and she said she didn't have any memories of any abductions or
anything but she has had some unique experiences. She actually saw a UFO
one time. I remember it because she was screaming and hollering in the
bedroom, and I came, and she saw it out the window, so I remember
She has had some unique experiences, but she fully accepts
it; she says she knows the person I am, and that I'm not going to be
saying stuff like that if it's not something that actually happened. So
she's fine with it, but she doesn't have any memories, so there is no
correlation there, so to speak.
Okay. So you were told that you were brought in and actually given sort
of a deeper clearance in order to do this new program,
D: Well, the clearances were the same because at
this particular base where I was going to school there was no cover, the
black cover, so to speak. They always make you sign these papers saying
you're not going to discuss this, that and the other thing.
applies to the gray projects I worked on, it's kind of a moot point
because there is no paper trail, there's no proof that anybody could
bring out of a facility that proves what you are doing with the gray
So, this is purposeful on the part of the military obviously, if there
is no paper trail. This is what they want.
D: Yeah, and
that's how they hide it so well. Because when you work on - in the early
eighties, I worked on the F117 Stealth thing in Dreamland, so to speak,
You know, you could slip in a camera and take a
picture of something; it's feasible. So, there's actual proof that you
can gather. Now you probably wouldn't want to, because of the trouble
you'd get in, but there's something you could bring out, and prove what
you're working on.
But with the gray projects, at least the level
at which I worked, there was absolutely no level of proof that you could
bring out of anywhere.
I mean, I could look and look and look,
and there was no way I could bring any proof out of the facility - and
that's how they designed it. They want to have the ability to deny it
and not have any trump card that says, wait a minute, look at this -
whatever proofs you might have.
So in terms of the nuts and bolts, I remember the description - you went
into this - it sounded like a trailer. I don't know if it literally was
a trailer, but it was a place that was compartmentalized in such a way
that you were in half of it, and there was another person, at a monitor,
in the other half, and you basically weren't allowed to talk to anybody.
Could you describe that scenario?
D: Sure. That was at a
functioning base, that wasn't at the training facility. I was doing my
actual real job, electronic intelligence. We had a C-van; it was called
a C-van, kind of like a trailer, but no wheels.
You go into it,
and we had two stations in this van. I worked one station and my partner
worked the other station. We couldn't be in the trailer apart from one
another; we both had to be in the trailer at the same time, because of
the... well, we just had to be in the trailer at the same time. But he
had no clue as to what I was doing with the gray
So, he wasn't part of the gray project, to your
D: No. Well, not to my knowledge, but I have a
feeling that I was probably the only one there that was part of the gray
In a sense, you're a psychic.
D: Yeah... I guess you could
call me a very, very specialized psychic. [laughs]
Okay. Do you have the same abilities - that you had with the gray aliens
that you were communicating with - with humans?
that's a question I get posed often, and I always have to think about
it, because... I guess it's possible, if the other person had the same
type of heightened ability, and who knows? If I had stayed in longer,
perhaps it would have migrated to that level for the training, because
at every point in my job that I was doing with the gray project, it was
always training, that's all I did, was train.
What they told me
was that I was training for a particular thing in the future that was
going to happen, and I needed to be up to snuff, so to speak, and able
to do it without any reservations and without any mistakes.
the communications that I was receiving constantly, week in, week out,
and that I would convey through the computer when I was typing it in to
the computer, was all just a test. Basically, I was just training,
training, more training.
Now the initial training at the school
was to uncover the abilities, but then when I went operational at other
bases, two other bases that I did this at, that was training as
Was that on the job training at that point? I mean, you know, to put it
in those terms. Because at that point, you were actually in
communication with an alien, whereas in the initial training - maybe you
can describe that - there was a flat line, which you actually were
supposed to move around with your mind.
D: The technology
obviously came from the ET species that we were in contact with. At the
school, I wasn't communicating with an ET. It was kind of like a
biofeedback machine, but on a totally different level, because I wasn't
connected to the machine at all. It started out by having these boxes on
a computer screen and had an oscilloscope straight line for each one of
the boxes, and I was told to concentrate on a tone that was being played
in my ear on the headphones, and the instructions were to immensely hum
That is a hard thing to do - to mentally hum. You're
humming yet it is not vocal and it's in your mind, but they said that is
what you have to concentrate on, to mentally hum.
So, I would
mentally hum this particular tone they would be playing in my earphones,
and then at some point I started to sense that the line I was looking at
when I was doing this was connected in my mind somehow and that I could
move it, but it took awhile.
It took several days for me to
even... and that was just torture, you know, three or four hours of just
sitting there mentally humming something for a couple of days without
any sense that something was actually going to happen.
thinking someone was going to jump out of a closet again and say, “I
can't believe you have been mentally humming this tone for three
But, anyway, I did it and as I write in the book, it's
kind of like a sense of clicking. It wasn't an audible click, but it was
like when you're up against this force and then all of a sudden the
force gives way and you can move your hand against that force, and you
can move your hand quicker because the force has been taken
That's kind of how it felt, as this resistance, and then
the resistance gave away.
Did it grow, this ability? Once you clicked, was it just there, or did
you feel that there was an advancement that you went
D: Oh yeah, definitely an advancement. And it was
very, very odd because once my mind knew how to overcome that little bit
of the resistance to the abilities... it was weird because my mind
automatically knew what to do and so it grew upon itself without me
overtly doing something.
Of course, I was mentally engaged in the
exercises that they gave me, but I could sense that there was this
exponential learning that was going on in my brain. It was just the
oddest feeling and during this time I had these weird dreams. It was a
very odd time mentally.
And then, of course, I was going to my
regular school too, at which I had to keep my grades up; so it was
mentally exhausting, the several weeks I was there. It was an incredible
experience, from the mental standpoint.
So going through your regular training actually gave you a cover story,
or gave you a reason to be wherever you were. It's like the layers of
the onion. So, in a sense, if I recall, you'd go in to do a job and
everyone around you would think you were doing that particular job, you
were equipped to do that job but, in essence you were doing this other
D: Yeah, but I had to do that other job too and it
was an important job.
So you were always doing two jobs?
D: Yeah, at the bases I
was at, the two bases - the secret agent aspect of my life and then a
regular Joe aspect of my life.
So, they gave me these elaborate
instructions on how the contact would happen. When you say contact in
this context, you could be talking about a lot of things [laughs] so
let's get the right terminology down.
D: So, that was my human contact within the
So you go to this base, and you sit at the computer and what happens is
that you are communicating or open to communicate mentally with an ET?
We're not sure whether the ET is... did you actually know if the ET was
on earth at the time?
Or it could be anywhere?
D: I never knew of any
Okay. So, the being is almost kind of dictating to you; would that be
D: Yeah, in our terms, yeah.
They just knew that they had a communication channel through you to get
to the military, so to speak?
D: Yeah. I'm convinced that
there was a loop there somewhere because the whole point of me typing it
into the computer so that somebody somewhere could read it, was so that
they could verify the information for accuracy, because that is
essentially what I was doing, just honing in my skills to make sure that
I was accurately conveying the messages that were being relayed to
But wasn't it that you actually found out that those messages were
(about) abductions that were happening?
D: It just so
happens that some of that information seemed to me to be information
about abductions; and that's the whole problem with this entire
experience. A lot of things just don't make any sense. I mean, why would
they be conveying that type of information to me?
So maybe at
some sort of future event they were going to be using me to convey this
type of information, abduction information, I have no idea.
started to receive information, like you said, that really correlated to
me like it had something to do with abductions, because there were
fields, so to speak, like filling out a form, there were
Or there were these pieces of information that were a
potentiality for recall, I remember that one; residual pain levels and
latitudes and longitudes... so I mean maybe they weren't abduction
scenarios or abduction information, but it really seemed to me that it
was because of the different bits of information that were being
And that was - I guess we're getting ahead of
ourselves, but that was towards the end where I was like, “This is just
going way further than I ever wanted it to.”
And when I got the
information about residual pain levels - that really, really, really hit
me - like, “Are there people being harmed because of this?”
had a different spectrum with the residual pain levels. They were
forwarded all the way from low digits all the way up to really high
digits, like 100 all the way down to 2 and 3 and so I was thinking,
well, on one end of that spectrum somebody is getting hurt. Maybe on the
other one they aren't getting hurt but if there is a residual pain level
at 2 and there is a residual pain level at 100, somebody, one of those,
is on the bad end.
So this sounded like it had to be something that was happening on the
planet, so that the military could check whether or not you were
actually being accurate.
If it was something off planet they wouldn't necessarily, theoretically
anyway, be able to check it. So it would have to be on
D: Well, not necessarily because if they have a
loop back to the ETs that I was contacting with, and the ETs told them
what the correct information was then that would complete the loop
regardless of where they were at.
Okay, meaning there had to be another communicator in the loop. Because
I'm assuming on some level they wouldn't need you if they could
communicate directly the way I am communicating with
D: Exactly. I don't think that was the only way to
communicate with them.
This is what was told to me in the meeting
that I had, the first meeting - the whole purpose of this project,
Project Preserve Destiny, was to train these cognitive
individuals that would be able to communicate intuitively; because at
some certain event in the future, that was going to be the only way that
we can communicate; because electromagnetic communications were going
to be disrupted on a world-wide scale.
The only way that the
world leaders and military and all these people who are in charge of the
world, so to speak, all these different countries, different levels of
government - the only way that they would be able to communicate is
through this network of intuitive communicators.
And again, we're going to jump ahead a little bit here simply because we
can't sit here and read your book from start to finish, which I would
encourage everyone to do. It's remarkable in that you don't elaborate or
embellish or go off track. You really just tell the story in a very nuts
and bolts fashion.
D: Well, I tell people if I was to make
up a story, it would be a lot more elaborate than this, but I wanted to
stick to what happened to me and let everybody else conjecture upon
that; because if I start conjecturing, then I think it sullies my
credibility, so to speak.
You mean, as a witness?
D: Yes, I need to stick to the
You developed a relationship, not necessarily with the first ET that you
were communicating with but with the second one. Is that
D: Well, when you say relationship, that's kind of
a loose term! [laughs]
We didn't have fireside chats but, what
you're referring to is - at some point, there was a different level of
communications that I stumbled upon, and that's one of the most
difficult things I had to explain in the book, because it is really hard
to describe the nuts and bolts of the communication itself - let alone
another level of the communication.
So, suffice it to say that at
some point I discovered this other level. I got the sense that after his
reaction - my ET contact - after his reaction, I got the sense that that
wasn't a monitored level of communications. I guess it's a moot point;
it doesn't really matter if it was monitored. I felt more comfortable
talking out of line, so to speak, or communicating other than the
official communications that we were conveying.
interesting how these communications happened, because they happened
instantaneously. However, again, my conversion of that conversation had
to be converted to real time; which means, in the human world, we have
to start doing something and then we end doing something, and in between
there is a timeframe.
So I would get the communication and then I
would start typing it and he would just hang on the line, so to speak,
until I got done so that if I needed any clarification on something,
then I could ask for clarification.
You know it's funny in
retrospect, because at the time that this was happening I never knew in
my wildest dreams that I would actually be talking about this to
somebody. I always thought that it would be classified and I would never
discuss it. So in retrospect nick-naming them Spock and Bones was
probably not the best thing for my credibility because it looks like I'm
embellishing to make it look funny.
Well, that's very poetic. Let's put it that way.
you for clarifying that - but the first one was named Spock because of
the logical nature in which the communications happened. Their emotions
were very much based in logic although they had other emotions too, it
was much more logical than our conversations, so I nicknamed him Spock
in my own mind, that's what I referred to him as.
And then on the
second contact at the second base it was a different ET contact, and so
I just went along with the 'Star Trek' theme and named him Bones, but
there was no reason to name him that.
Could you see these beings while you were communicating with them in
D: No. I believe at one point I tried to convey
my desire to see or to get a visual, but I never got a visual of
anything, not of them. I got visual stimulus, you know, plenty of visual
stimulus but nothing of them. That would have been... again, that's one
of the things in the book that would have been nice to be able to have
drawings and all kinds of nifty stuff, but...
Okay, so 'Bones', the second one, comes on the scene, and you're
communicating with him in this normal sort of way that you have been
used to doing, which is receiving communications. At what point in the
length of exposure to this being did you suddenly reach that place? Can
you describe that transition?
D: As I recall, I think it
started with Spock, towards the end of our time
So even with Spock, you were getting to that?
D: Yeah, I
think that's when it started. I can't quite say that for 100% sure, but
I think it was at the end of our contact, at the time we were contacting
one another. I think it was towards the end of that, but most of that
communication was with Bones because I had discovered it already, and
felt more comfortable by that time. At some point the contact said they
were quite surprised that I would be able to do that, because that's not
a level of communication typically, that intuitive communicators are
capable of. I'm sure they have the ability that they find, so to
What happened then? Can you tell us a little bit about your dialog with
them? Were these communications happening outside of your work
D: No. Never.
D: Well, I tried to, at one point but
there was no... well, let me step back a little bit. I did start to
receive once, one time in the dorm, and I told him that I wasn't at work
and that I wasn't at my station and so he signed off. But I think it was
just kind of a clerical error, a mistake or something. He didn't realize
that I wasn't at work. Obviously, they have my schedule because they
would start the communication when I was at work.
Okay - but in what you call the informal communication, you were
not communicating this informal dialogue to your superiors,
You weren't typing it into the machine?
D: No. If it were
a question that I posed to them, then I wouldn't convey any answers, so
to speak; but conversely, I hardly ever got any answers. So it was kind
of a moot point but...
Okay. Well, you had a relationship of sorts with Bones, in what you were
able to ask him questions and he would respond from time to
And you felt that it was something of an informal dialogue as you called
Can you recall various dialogue points that you had?
Sure. There were a lot of impressions that I was left with regarding our
communications and regarding them. I've always been interested in time
and time travel and stuff. So I did try to pick his brain so to speak,
as far as how they travel and how they got here and how it relates to
What I got was the impression that they do use time to
travel, but not in the sense that we think - where they can go backwards
and forward in time. I asked them about that. I said, “Can we go
backward and forward in time?” The impression I got was you couldn't go
backward and forward in time because time is relative.
So if you
go back ten minutes from right now - well, right now is relative. It's a
relative time point, not a solid time point. So you can't go back from
something that's relative to everything else anyway.
So, what he
says is, they could go around time. Now I really didn't understand that,
but he said you go around using electromagnetic energy. You could go
As I thought about it later... you read about
Einstein's theory that light can bend when it's going by a planet. It
will bend because of the gravitational pull of the planet. I think they
use that gravitational energy, so to speak, to go around time.
don't think they can go back a half-hour from right now and experience
that time frame. But they do use time in some sort of way to
travel because they do travel long distances, he
In other words he didn't, then... Dan Burisch talks about
his relationship with a J-rod. I don't know if you're familiar with
...his relationship with a J-rod called Chi'el'ah - and he says
that Chi'el'ah was a time traveling ET who came back around the time of
Roswell, and that they had a mission. Were you told by Bones that he
came from the future?
D: Well, no. The impression I got
regarding time was they couldn't do that. They couldn't go backward and
forward in time. Now of course, this was an impression I got and it
wasn't something whereby he gave me algorithms and gave me the proof -
you know, that this can't happen and this can't happen - but as he told
me, they use time to travel. They go around time, but they don't go
through time. They don't go backwards and forward in time. They just use
time to travel; which is, they go around it.
Perhaps going around it...
D: Its very
...maybe they bend it?
D: Yeah that's the impression that
I got is that they bend time.
They bend time.
D: I don't know what the practical
application of that is though, unfortunately.
Yeah, obviously we're not physicists here.
But if you bend time - certainly if I bend something, and I've got a
line, and over here is 2012 and over here is 1920 - if I bend time and
bring them together, I'm going from 2012 to 1920 or visa versa. In a
sense I am traveling through time.
But I'm bending it.
So I understand maybe...
D: There could well be very
specific things that he was talking about related to their particular
abilities. Perhaps some other ET species has different abilities, I
don't know. He did convey that they did use it for
Okay... and what about the crafts? Did they tell you anything about
their crafts - how they were propelled, et cetera?
No, just electromagnetic energy and time, that's what I
got from him. I did ask him about God and the whole religion
aspect of how it relates to them and us. He said that we are created. He
said 'we' as in them and us. The 'we' aspect was generic - both of us,
instead of saying 'we' as in them, it was in the context of all of
He said that we are created; we are of the same creation. He
said there are two creations. One is the intelligent creation, and one
is the non-intelligent creation. We, them and us, are part of the same
Now he didn't say, he didn't specify any
religions or anything like that. He just said that we are part of the
same creation. We're all created, which I thought was very
interesting from an ET aspect of it, because you wouldn't think that an
ET would admit to... because of their higher level of intelligence. A
lot of people think that they created us.
So that's what you were told, that this particular group you represented
was not responsible for creating us.
D: No, he didn't say
that but he said that we are part of the same creation, which would lead
me to believe that they did not create us, but we are all
Did you ask him about Jesus?
Lots of people like to say that Jesus was an ET, or a partial
D: Yeah, I never got any information regarding
anything related to Jesus, or a specific religion or
Okay, how did you know what species of ET he was, or did you
In other words, did your superiors say you're going to be talking to a
Or he could have been Nordic for all we know.
[laughing] Yeah, you know, I don't even keep up on the different species
so I have absolutely no clue. They had nicknames for the Grays or one of
them was Gray. It's actually called the Gray Project that we
worked on. They also called them 'slant' missions, and I don't exactly
know what or how that relates; but it is referred to as the 'missions'.
If you're on a gray mission, it's called a slant mission, so I don't
know how that relates to the species. I was never told anything relating
to a specific species.
How long did your communication with Bones - with the informal nature of
it - go on?
D: Well, it was pretty much the whole time we
were communicating, which I think was probably around 10 months or
Okay - so in ten months time you must have asked him a lot of
D: Well yeah, I tried to. You know a lot of
times the communications would happen, and as time went on I got better
at the communications and Bones knew that, so he didn't stay on as long
for the clarification. So I would really have to be quick with my
question, if I had a question.
It's kind of like having a
relationship with your grandfather over the course of two or three
years. Then five years later there's someone asking, “Well, what did
your grandpa think about political issues?” You're, “Well, grandpa was
conservative,” or “grandpa was”... So you don't remember an exact
conversation exactly about what he said. But you get this sense of the
answers over time because you know based on the conversations you've
So when I revealed the things that I've learned from them
it's not word for word you know, exact quotes. It's the impression I got
after asking them 3 or 4 times in a particular area and so its my
reporting of my impressions of what they've communicated to me over the
span of the 2 years that I did this.
At some point you developed a sort of a conscience about what you were
And I'm going to assume this impacted why you left in the end
D: Uh huh.
But you must have asked him about the abductions?
I did, and I never got any answers for that, never. It was just
communication and then he was gone.
Okay - in the abductions, you said you got latitudes and longitudes.
What was the implication? Were people being abducted all over the planet
on a regular basis? Are you able to tell us... was there more mass
abductions? Were there mass abductions and where did they
D: Well, I mean I didn't get hundreds of them, you
know, I maybe got a couple dozen or three dozen or something like that.
So it wasn't a lot of them and to tell you the truth I didn't really,
until maybe had gotten a couple of dozen them or whatever, I didn't
really start thinking, “Well, wait a minute”. It didn't really start
dawning on me until I had received several of them that this might be
something that is odd.
Then right toward the end - and that's
probably why I stopped getting them is because I started to ask my
handler about them. “What's this, what is this information? It seems
like abductions and it seems like there's pain,” you know that type of
The answer I always got back from the handler was, “Just
communicate what you're told, what is being communicated to you. Just
communicate that to us and don't ask questions. You're not here to ask
questions. You're here to practice your ability”.
So then you
know, then I got frustrated and of course there's a lot of other things
going on with my personal life. I didn't want to be there anymore. I
mean I didn't want to have this going on in my life anymore because it
was affecting my personal life.
I couldn't get close to people
because I didn't want to talk about things. I mean I was just having a
lot of psychological issues with having this type of job because it was
isolating me from the world, in my mind at the time. I mean maybe I
would have worked through that but... .
So, Project Preserve Destiny... what is the objective of that
project to your knowledge?
D: Yes. As it was told to me
when I was briefed into the project at the school, there is going to be
some sort of event in the future that is going to wipe out all the
electromagnetic energy. Now I don't know if that's a temporary knockout
or a permanent knockout or semi-permanent, or whatever. I don't know
But he said there's going to be some sort of event, and
that this group of individuals, of intuitive communicators, were going
to be the communications conduit for world leaders, and they're going to
be strategically placed all around the world so that they can convey the
communications, and they can convey what that communication is to the
people around them or whoever, the leaders or
In other words, they're the only ones who are going to be able to
communicate with the ETs and then to the humans in the military, because
it certainly isn't just human-to-human. It's
D: Well, that's kind of the wild card that I
don't know. I don't think I stayed long enough in order to find out the
different methods this might take, you know, or the different
But you were communicating with an alien or an ET so it had to involve
D: Well, that's the
Have you been brought back into the military or have you been
interviewed, like I'm interviewing you? Have you been asked to give, I
don't know, a download as to what really happened because at this point
you're outside the military? You've written a book. The military is
interested in all this because they brought you in, in the beginning. So
are you at liberty to say if this has happened?
no, I haven't been contacted by the government, but I will say that at
one time I was on the phone with a producer from a really, really
popular radio show, like one of the top two in the nation.
I got off the phone with the producer I got a call on my cell phone. I
got a call from somebody and it said, “Don't take it any further!” or
some terminology that said “Stop this pursuit!” and then just hung
I was like, I sat there for five minutes thinking, “How in
the world... ? I don't understand this!” Because I was on the phone with
this producer, and it wasn't more than thirty seconds or a minute after
I got off the phone with this producer that I got that phone
That was the only thing that has even happened in all the
communications I have had, all the conferences that I have done, and all
this stuff, the book. I've never gotten any type of communication from
the government and I just got that phone call. Who knows, it might have
been the producer calling me back and just trying to scare me as a joke
or something. I don't know, but it was quite odd.
That's what was
unusual about it, because I was on my cell phone with the producer and
the landline that I was at, at the time, called. That's why I though it
was weird because if it were the cell phone then maybe I would think
that somebody was...
Somebody calling you back.
Obviously tapping your communications. I mean why wouldn't they? Now
you're an electronics expert, are you not?
D: Well, in a
very, very limited capacity with what I was doing in the military. Yeah,
I knew a lot about it.
Okay, so you must know about surveillance techniques
...what they have at their disposal. And you must be conscious, I mean
even as a telepath to some degree, you must know that you're being
D: Oh, yeah. When I first released the book I
did it in a way that if there was going to be some sort of interesting
activity from the government when I released it, that they really
couldn't do anything about it.
I sent it to one of the largest
websites at the time and this was 1997, so the web wasn't as big as it
is today, obviously, but there was a site called 'ufomind.com' and Glenn
Campbell - he lives in Las Vegas or somewhere around there -
was running it.
I don't know where it is now or how big it is
now, but it was the biggest UFO related, alien related type of site. I
sent the manuscript to him and then we released the book. So I wanted it
to be out there in the public with somebody before it actually got
So anyway, right after I wrote the book I sent some
pictures to a UFO magazine in England. A lady editor named Georgina
Bueller, or something like that. Anyway, I sent it to her. She said
she sent them back - I never got them back.
They were very
interesting pictures. They were the pictures of one of the bases I was
stationed at. I'm absolutely positive that somebody did not want those
pictures to continue to be copied. But they were published in the UFO
magazine that month.
Anyway, those are the only two scenarios
that I've come across. If you think about it though, they have no
incentive to do anything to silence me - because if they do something,
then that just brings a certain level of press or whatever to the
situation because something has been done about what I'm
If you don't do anything about what I'm saying, then its
kind of lumped in with all the other, you know, loonies or whoever else
is out there talking about aliens and things.
D: I think their concern was: am I going to have
any evidence? And of course I had absolutely no evidence of the Gray
Project. So to them its like you know, whatever.
You could just be a nutcase out there.
But on top of it I mean I have to say you've kept a pretty low profile.
You live in a kind of an obscure area, excuse me for saying
...but it is...
...you know, to some degree.
And some of the people in the UFO circuit, if you will, are pretty
flamboyant and out there, and constantly...
...seen around and what not. You are kind of low
D: Well, you know, it's interesting - because
what lends my story a higher degree of credibility is that I'm not a
typical person like you just said, like they see on the UFO
I've spoken at conferences, but I don't fit in at those
conferences. I've done a lot of press - and what I found is I am a very
different person from most of the people in the UFO world in that I have
conservative ways and most people have a more free lifestyle, or are
more liberal or whatever.
If this hadn't happened to me and
somebody told me the story, you know, with just my own background and
everything, I would say that they're just lunatics.
So it's very
Yeah, it is.
...that this person here has experienced what he has experienced, and
that would be the only thing that would make me a believer, is me
experiencing it. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't be as believing of this
world or this you know, stuff happening in this world.
definitely, it's real - because I've experienced it.