(9622) Mon 27 Jul 92 12:47a By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hatonn Response 1/4 St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:363/81.1@fidonet.org 6880c518 @PID: FM 2.02 This was taken from the computer version of the Phoenix Liberator Vol 19 #13, July 14, 1992. This is available via the Phoenix Liberator BBS at 805-822-1309 . The filename for the following excerpt is: EEB07091.ZIP and is found in Dir 7. Note 1: This is Hatonn's response to Don Ecker's article that recently appeared in UFO Magazine. Don's article is included here with "Hatonn's" remarks in the format of: [H:.......] . Note 2: I converted the document from (what appears to be) Works! Wordpro format to "regular" ascii for the echo. DISCLAIMER: I am posting this here for informational purposes only, and as such will leave it up to you to determine it's value (or lack thereof). In that regard, I make no claims on the material save that you judge it for yourself. Do with it what you will. Note 3: This gets pretty STRONG so be advised of that BEFORE proceeding. Keep in mind that this is "Hatonn's" response and further reactions to _this_ article SHOULD BE directed to HIM/George Green and ** not ** to me. ( I just the lowly messenger here :-) You can reach them at: Phoenix Liberator 2810 W. Charleston Blvd. Las Vegas,NV 89102 1-800-800-5565 Please note that this is a *new* address. -------Begin Included text------------------------------------------- NEW SERIES BEGINNING Good gracious, a series about little old ME?!? Or is it to tear down George Green whom the UFO "community" is after for bringing you the truth about "things" and "them"? Let us let YOU decide--I am weary of "my" friends being the last to know what is going on. The following is from UFO, 30 Vol. 7, No. 4, 1992. A copy of the "article" was sent to my attention on July 8, 1992 so I assume the issue is "new". I think, for this particular group in point, it is interesting that the pictured copy of the LIBERATOR utilized was the one with the headline: Underground Bases Honeycomb U.S.. The adversary really didn't like THAT ONE. My scribe is at a great disadvantage for she has no idea WHO in the world these people are who so graciously write about our work. Perhaps Mr. Ecker (Don) will be relieved to know that I DO! Furthermore, he may just not like what I have to say in "that sought after interview" he claims to desire with "Hatonn". So be it. COPY: A NEO-NAZI ET? 'HATONN'S WORLD'--PART I by Don Ecker In 1943, my father was a young merchant seaman on board a convoy leaving England to carry supplies to the Soviet Union. The Second World War was at its height, and the United States, along with England, France and the Soviet Union, was locked in a life-and-death struggle with Nazi Germany. The Nazis had overrun all of Western Europe, England was on her knees and everyone was sure that Russia was a rotting structure just waiting to topple. The supplies on board that convoy were intended to keep Russia in the war until such time as America could achieve a full war-time economy, and in concert with the British, the Russians and other peoples would ultimately beat the Nazi gangsters into the ground. There were other convoys headed toward Russia on a similar mission, and most did get through. But my Dad's ship did not. It was hit by a U-boat and then finished off by Nazi bombers. (My father survived the ordeal.) As we all know, WW-II had a successful ending; the Nazi regime was destroyed, but by 1945, Nazis still had managed to kill about 20 million Russians, both military and civilian. The British lost just under a million people, both military and civilian, the French about 750,000 and Poland, 4 1/2 million. Loss of life in the death camps included 6 million Jews and 5 million Europeans of other races and backgrounds. Germany also suffered greatly. By war's end, she had lost around 11 million people, which consisted of military and civilian casualties. These figures are cited in The Encyclopedia of Military History, by Dupuy and Dupuy, Harper and Row, 1977.) I am sure you are by now wondering what this has to do with UFOs. We will get to that in a moment, but first let us drop back about 25 years to the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. Back in 1967 and 1968, "flower power" was in. It was not uncommon to turn on the television and see news broadcasts of "love-ins", sit-ins and crowds of young high school and college-age kids marching for peace and calling for acceptance and equality of all people everywhere. We were all human after all, and for many the '60s ushered in the new age of love and understanding. There was no room for intolerance or bigotry. UFOs, on the other hand, were not faring quite as well under the scrutiny of Ed Condon at the University of Colorado's government-sponsored inquiry. Later ridiculed by many, Condon's report seemed to ignore the many factual cases, instead concentrating on "contactee" or fringe-element reports. Contactee activity has been around as long as people have chased lights in the sky and thought often wacky and incredible, usually amounted to largely harmless claims. But much more recently, some of the contactee information has taken on darker overtones. In February, UFO became more directly involved in looking at some recent incarnations of the contactee message when a call came in from a reader in Chicago, who was inquiring about a publishing company called America West. Based in Tehachapi, California, [WRONG!!], America West Publishing is owned and operated by George and Desiree' Green. (It has no relationship to the airline.) The Greens' company regularly prints and distributes a newsprint publication called the PHOENIX LIBERATOR, formerly the PHOENIX JOURNAL EXPRESS, purported to be transmissions from an extraterrestrial in orbit around Earth. This alleged ET calls himself, according to George, Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, Commander in Chief, Earth Project Transition, Pleiades Sector Flight Command, Intergalactic Federation Fleet--Ashtar Command. [H: He has a couple of things misconstrued--like being in the Command of someone named Ashtar. Ashtar is only a label given the entity who heads the evacuation Command and Central Computer system and I only have occasional need to participate with that fleet in any association. That association has been explained in detail in the JOURNALS. Further, I am IN COMMAND--not Commander-in-Chief. This is just for a bit of clarification for you readers of THIS document. Moreover, I am only occasionally in "orbit around your planet", if the difference is important to you. ] Earth Representative to the Cosmic Council and Intergalactic Federation Council on Earth Transition. (But, he says, you can just call him "Hatonn.") [H: Ah so! Would it be so "strange" if this author introduced himself as Mr. Don Ecker and said, you may call me "Don" or "Ecker"? Do you condemn a being for being courteous and using good manners? I do note that not many gracious manners are utilized by this one toward me and/or George Green and we have done NOTHING TO OR WITH HIM OR HIS MAGAZINE. HOW DOES HE HAVE INSIGHT ENOUGH TO PRONOUNCE SUCH CARNAGE UPON OUR PRESENCE AND RIGHT OF EXISTENCE? OR, IS THIS THE TYPE OF JOURNALISM NOW FULLY ACCEPTED AND RESPECTED IN YOUR CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT OF DISINFORMERS?] Hatonn is not a specifically channeled entity, however, Green says, "He sends the information on a military channel that is received and written down by the scribe, Dharma." Dharma is Doris Ekker, a 60-ish grandmother who purportedly receives and then writes down the transmission from Commander Hatonn. [H: Well it is NOT a military channel. It is simply short-wave high-band transmission. Further, have none of you ever heard of a "translator" or a "secretary"? How quaint!] -------Cont in Hatonn response part 2------------------------------------ Don --- FMail 0.90 @SEEN-BY 104/2 422 428 605 107/816 114/37 95 125/27 154/414 202/502 @SEEN-BY 238/300 260/233 268/102 350/201 363/29 42 81 371/3 1010/0 21 @SEEN-BY 1012/3 @PATH: 363/81 29 268/102 104/422 * Origin: -(=-- - - * Wavelength * - - --=)- (1:363/81.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (9623) Mon 27 Jul 92 12:48a By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hatonn Response 2/4 St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:363/81.1@fidonet.org 6880c519 @PID: FM 2.02 ----------Hatonn response part 2--------------------------------------- POLITICAL COMMENTARY Cmdr. Hatonn does not limit himself to spiritual counsel. He is concerned with all aspects of life on Earth, particularly political aspects. In the myriad writings attributed to Hatonn, he "rains wisdom" on every subject from the history and instability of neighborhoods in Cuba and Peru to the covert agenda of the world's power-brokers. (Issues which are, of course, very much related). In DESTRUCTION OF A PLANET: ZIONISM IS RACISM, Hatonn intro- duces himself, saying, "Hatonn present in the Light of Radiance, in service unto God and Man." For an extraterrestrial, Hatonn is extremely well informed and opinionated on just about everything. His diatribes encompass Reaganomics, medieval history, the "actual" origin of the Jews, the wisdom of incorporation and current American economic woes, and much more than can be described here. [H: Thank you for taking notation of the above. I will point out that in view of my accepted KNOWLEDGE of wide diversity--WHY WOULD MR. ECKER CHOOSE THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT TO FOCUS UPON??? COULD IT BE WE HAVE AN ELITE GLOBALIST ON OUR HANDS OR SIMPLY A DISINFOR- MATION/MISINFORMATION COUNTERFEIT JOURNALIST??? I would suggest that almost ANY subject upon which I have written would be more valuable than the one he has chosen to blast universally and with intentional focus. Or, will we find that Mr. Ecker doesn't READ AT ALL OR IF SO, VERY, VERY POORLY AND HIS ARITHMETIC AND RESEARCH CAPABILITIES ARE SORELY LACKING.] The transmissions have a familiar ring. According to Hatonn--as recorded by "Dharma"--most of what is wrong with the world, and more specifically with America, is a "secret government" within the government. This secret government or New World Order is controlled by "The Committee of 300" and international bankers. [H: So? And do not all of Mr. Ecker's FORMER FRIENDS state the same thing?? What have we here? The UFO magazine's thrust has been the "secret government's cover-up of EVERYTHING--INCLUDING UFOs!] ANTI-SEMITIC MEANING One of the caveats to interpreting common phrases such as "international bankers" is realizing its allusion to Jews and anti-Semitism. [H: Good grief--how so? I have told you over and over and over--SEMITES ARE NOT JEWS! Surely Mr. Ecker, you can read better than THAT!] When queried, Green denies having any anti-Semitic feelings himself. But if he doesn't, Hatonn does. [H: WRONG! I AM A "SEMITE" AND SO IS GEORGE GREEN--you had better check out your historical research capabilities.] According to the works flowing from America West Publishers, attributed to "Commander Hatonn," most history is not what it is purported to be: books like Destruction of a Planet; Zionism IS Racism and The Trillion Dollar Lie: The HOLOCAUST, Vols. 1 and 2, assert that there was NO HOLOCAUST. [H: WRONG. There most certainly WAS a holocaust but NOT LIKE PRESENTED AND YOU REDUCE THE VERY HONOR TO THE ONES WHO "DID" SUFFER SO CRUELLY BY YOUR LIES AND DECEPTIONS! IT IS NOT "I", SIR, WHO IS THE FOOL!] Hatonn says Jews are not really Jews, per se, but "Khazars," who came out of the area that used to be the U.S.S.R. [H: Indeed!] UFO material appears at times, with explanations no one else has come up with. According to the word from Hatonn per George Green, for instance, the Tunguska explosion in Siberia in June of 1908 was actually a secret, 30-megaton atomic bomb designed and built by a secret society of British and German scientists. Green tells UFO that the bomb was delivered by a balloon. [H: Where have you been Mr. Ecker?? Scientists on YOUR PLACE gave that information and a whole lot more and it has been written up in major well accepted news-letters such as Antony Sutton's works. There was a magnificent plan to actually tilt the planet with that explosion except the perpetrators couldn't get their time-zone changes correctly computed! As to balloon delivery: they did not have SR-71s and C-130's to utilize in clandestine activities as are present TODAY. Besides it would have been most propitious to use such "silent running" craft, would it not?] 'NO HOLOCAUST' [H: Methinks this man has a hang-up of some sort for out of some sixty JOURNALS, he can't seem to get rid of a nagging urge to beat this to death--something like does the ADL (branch of British Intelligence), WZO, WJC, and "hate crime" squealers. Do not you readers find this interesting? A "UFO" journal and no mention or curiosity is even SHOWN about possible UFO knowledge or possibilities of gleaning some information regarding the cosmos--JUST DEAL WITH GARBAGE, LIES AND DISINFORMATION AS NEARLY AS I CAN DISCERN. If YOU were given possible chance of information from a Space-command officer and a "Host" of Holy God who knows enough to see to it that the very workings of God and Universe is put to JOURNAL--would you ask about the numbers in Germany in the 1940's? Would you not think it wise to choose something which would actually be of interest to the masses and possibly give you insight to what confronts you as a species and civilization? So be it.] There were no death camps in Germany or Poland, according to the Phoenix material. [H: Mr. Ecker: you are full of it, as you later say about "me". There were camps in which death was incredibly massive so I suggest you GO READ THE MATERIAL AS WRITTEN AND POSSIBLY EVEN WRITE WITHOUT SELECTED TAKE- OUTS, THE WHOLE LOT OF MATERIAL--I HEREIN GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO REPRINT EVERY WORD I HAVE WRITTEN AND MY "BROTHERS" AS WELL! IN FACT, IF I HAD THE TIME I WOULD INSIST THAT YOU DO SO--IN YOUR SO-CALLED RESEARCH JOURNAL!] "There were not even six million Jews in all of Europe prior to the start of the war," Green stated. According to him and Hatonn, the copious number of photographs that showed the world the horrors endured by victims incarcerated in the Nazi concentration camps were misinterpreted; the mountains of dead, starved bodies, the tattooed numbers on the arms of all inmates, even small children, were all a fabrication. [H: Mr. Ecker--it is hard to believe you could twist statements to THIS extent by utilizing the term ALL, etc. Do you not think that even a deceiver would be more cautious than to make such encompassing and stupid statements? It seems the term "all" in both instances is YOURS, not Mr. Green's.] ----------Cont in Hatonn response part 3------------------------------- Don --- FMail 0.90 @SEEN-BY 104/2 422 428 605 107/816 114/37 95 125/27 154/414 202/502 @SEEN-BY 238/300 260/233 268/102 350/201 363/29 42 81 371/3 1010/0 21 @SEEN-BY 1012/3 @PATH: 363/81 29 268/102 104/422 * Origin: -(=-- - - * Wavelength * - - --=)- (1:363/81.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (9624) Mon 27 Jul 92 12:49a By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hatonn Response 3/4 St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:363/81.1@fidonet.org 6880c51a @PID: FM 2.02 -----------Hatonn response part 3-------------------------------------- In a casual tone of voice, Green told UFO that those corpses were actually dead Germans that Gen. Dwight David Eisenhower, World War II Supreme Allied Commander and future President of the United States, had once interned in the former Nazi "work camps". Then, Green Said, Eisenhower allowed them to starve to death. [H: Gads, Mr. Ecker, where have YOU BEEN? Have you been so narrow in your research as to not READ what is available?? Try Spotlight, The New Federalist and dozens of other resources, AND how about the book called OTHER LOSSES by Bacque, which was "banned" in the U.S.? My, my, it would appear it is YOU who dwells in "outer space" and not Hatonn!] Of course, Green added, this is not his own information, but facts from the almost-omniscient Commander Hatonn, who stays in orbit and beams down wisdom from the stars. [H: Nope--no information from the "stars"--although I can give you a lot of information ABOUT THOSE STARS! "Almost-omniscient"? Not too bad!] On page 162 of ZIONISM IS RACISM, Cmdr. Hatonn claims the Nazis decided "Since force could not be used (to get the Jews out of Germany) for fear of potential international repercussions, the way to break down their resistance was to instill a distinctive Jewish identity amongst them by systematically promoting Jewish schools, athletic teams, Hebrew, Jewish art and music, etc. Combined with Zionist occupational re-training centers, this would induce the recalcitrant Jews to abandon their homeland." [H: Commander Hatonn "claims" this? Go read again, Mr. Ecker--that was a direct "quote" from an "earth" document and Hatonn "claims" nothing of the sort! This happened to be truth BUT NOW IS USED TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT IN THIS ARTICLE IN UFO as the entire article is relative to Unidentified Flying Objects and possible Cosmic (space) information and/or focus. If you are trying to discredit me, Mr. Ecker--you are ONLY discrediting self! I am come as a Host of God--and I find you ALSO AVOID THAT SUBJECT LIKE IT WILL GIVE YOU A BAD CASE OF PLAGUE.] HITLER'S 'MEIN KAMPF' We all know how very unconcerned the Nazi regime was about world opinion in 1936, when Hitler ordered German troops to re-occupy the Rhineland in violation of the Treaty at Versaille. Hitler had spelled out his plan years before in Mein Kampf, the book that became the Nazi bible. In Mein Kampf, Hitler stated for the record that he would "settle with the Jews". [H: Is that supposed to mean "slay them all"?--"gas them all?"--what mean you when you say, for instance, that you "...will settle with Mr. Cooper"--on the AIR yet?! Does that mean that you will murder him? How come you to this conclusion? Taken out of context as you have, perhaps it meant he was going to settle accounts and pay them all they were owed? How about--settling by giving them Germany or Palestine? How is it you come to this particular conclusion which "infers" annihilation? Perhaps that is what it meant--but more likely, as with your own statement regarding Mr. Cooper--you didn't like accounts in some fashion and "would settle...."? You even claimed Mr. Cooper had threatened to "kill" you! and you stated that on an open radio interview--what are you, Mr. Ecker? Perhaps you would like me to share more with our readers, and yours!] In America(n) [sic, sic] West's volume entitled SPACE GATE, THE VEIL REMOVED, it appears that Commander Hatonn is not above plagiarizing. Taking sections from some of the voluminous tracts of Milton William Cooper (Cooper at one point threatened that he was going to sue Green), Hatonn put in his own words that tired old canard: "YES, DEAR ONES, PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS MURDERED BY THE SECRET SERVICE AGENT WHO DROVE HIS CAR IN THE MOTORCADE." (All capitalized) [H: (ALL CAPITALIZED): I JUST WROTE IT AGAIN! THE FATAL SHOTS WERE FIRED BY GREER FROM THE LIMO DRIVER'S SEAT AND BY HUNT FROM THE "GRASSY KNOLL". There were many involved and I have named almost all of them in one place or another. By the way, JUST WHAT IS IT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, SIR? Funny thing about "plagiarizing"--TRUTH CANNOT BE PLAGIARIZED! Furthermore, I continually get correspondence urging me to look into the fact that "...Cooper is plagiarizing your work, Hatonn!" Can't have it BOTH WAYS, chelas! NOW, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT INCIDENT, I WONDER?? WHOSE SIDE MIGHT YOU BE ON, SIR? YOU SOUND PRETTY SELF- INCRIMINATING TO ME.] THE TRILLION DOLLAR LIE, THE HOLOCAUST, again supposedly the dictums of Commander Hatonn, delivers rhetoric that sounds terrifyingly close to fascist propaganda. In it, we get the text of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", which purport to be a blueprint for a "Zionist" or Jewish takeover. Redundant quotes include, "Anarchy is something that the Jew promotes relentlessly. While in complete control of the financial powers of the state, they promote internecine strife..." [H: What would you have me do, misquote a document utilized as an action blueprint for centuries?? I did not WRITE THE PROTOCOLS but you seem to present this as if somehow I DID! Nope, sorry--they came right along before and with the Communist Manifesto, Nazi Manifesto and now your New World Order--New World PLAN 2000.] Later, on page 153, Hatonn says that after a state exhausts itself during war or civil war, "IT CAN THEN, IN ANY CASE, BE ACCOUNTED AS IRRETRIEVABLY LOST AND IN THE POWER OF THE JEWS." Yet, Hatonn bills himself as an extraterrestrial bringer of light, condescendingly referring to his readers as "misguided children". Could Hatonn be a mouthpiece for someone else? [H: Yes, I COULD be. But I am not. I do suggest however, that I would not deprive you of the privilege of holding that honor, Mr. Don Ecker!] Part Two of this article will examine more of the information offered by America West. Don Ecker will attempt a direct interview of Hatonn, as well as speak to several survivors of the "non-existent" Jewish Holocaust. * * * END OF QUOTING. ---------Cont in Hatonn response part 4----------------------------------- Don --- FMail 0.90 @SEEN-BY 104/2 422 428 605 107/816 114/37 95 125/27 154/414 202/502 @SEEN-BY 238/300 260/233 268/102 350/201 363/29 42 81 371/3 1010/0 21 @SEEN-BY 1012/3 @PATH: 363/81 29 268/102 104/422 * Origin: -(=-- - - * Wavelength * - - --=)- (1:363/81.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (9625) Mon 27 Jul 92 12:51a By: Don Allen To: All Re: Hatonn Response 4/4 St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:363/81.1@fidonet.org 6880c51b @PID: FM 2.02 ------------Hatonn response part 4---------------------------------------- Attempt an interview of Hatonn???? Attempt?? It seems any who have efforted to speak with Hatonn have received gracious time and service, although often I have been invited to attend your "interviews" and only have received threats, insults and stupidity in return for the reception. If this is your thrust and intent of dealing with such a subject in point--wherein you will "interview several survivors of the 'non-existent' Jewish Holocaust" I suggest you are really "reaching", Mr. Ecker! I have yet to witness A SINGLE "SURVIVOR" WHO SAW ANYTHING PRONOUNCED AS HAVING HAPPENED AS TO DEATH CAMPS! I DO NOTE, HOWEVER, THAT THOSE "SURVIVORS" ARE VERY WILLING TO EXECUTE INNOCENT PEOPLE SUCH AS DEMJANJUK FOR CRIMES "NOT" COMMITTED. I would appreciate you readers giving me even ONE good REASON why I should subject my people to this nerd? He wants to know my relationship with my people? How about his relationship with one Vickie Cooper of UFO? When we speak of Hatonn, it should be noted that ones need to begin to think in terms of God, God's COMMANDMENTS and Creation's Universal LAWS. YOU, Mr. Ecker, do NOT WANT AN INTERVIEW WITH ME--you want more games in order to discredit Truth and cover your own insecure and ridiculous assets. You seem to tell the audience WHO HATONN IS--when will you tell them WHO YOU ARE? Ones such as you, Mr. Ecker, have turned what could have been a worthy JOURNAL for information into what is nothing more than a rag-sheet of drivel and misinformation of the highest form. The articles are without merit, basis or truth in almost all instances and you dishonor anyone who would give you truth through just such articles as the foregoing. I do not judge you--I simply "judge" your work and actions and I find them sorely wanting value or truth. Your thrust is obviously toward misinformation and Elite involvement to cover-up and disinformation--in order to further deceive readers seeking truth. Your world is coming apart and you would utilize trite misguidance and that would appear to me to be only a mammoth discredit to your own integrity. I would guess, herein, however, that Mr. William Cooper and I are in pretty much identical harmony concerning the type of writer as are you. I sanction neither of your behaviors--but I do suggest that, at least, in spite of flammable temper, problems of control through many means and misguided direction--HE AT LEAST TRIES TO BRING TRUTH WHEREIN YOU DELIBERATELY BREAK IT DOWN INTO A RUBBISH HEAP OF YOUR OWN GARBAGE. Now, rightfully so--as you so often quoted above: this is "...in Hatonn's opinion". I would, however, measure my some sixty books against your representations of almost everything you "cover". So be it. Consider this to be "PART II" of your "series". I don't think you actually want a personal interview with me--unless you can change the content and, therefore, it seems most unwise of me to do that to my people already being quite aware of a "fixed" setting. In fact, you desire self-ego stroking with your clever articles and accusations of false thrust and worse perception--please feel free to print this as Part II. You have stirred up others on the "Get Green and Hatonn Trail" and it is going to be most costly and painful to them, also, and I think they will not thank you for your "service" unto them. When in a "nest of thieves" the "thief" cannot find the foolishness of his visible projection. I am pleased to see that you are reading some of our material, however, and hope that some of it rubs off on your intelligence seeking brain system. One more presentation of a "sighting" from the 40's or 50's is going to make me heave-up. Do you not think the world and space has perhaps changed since half a century? Who cares about 1950 when you face the New World Order TODAY? In fact, how can you remain chained to a 1940 scenario as above--when the REAL HOLOCAUST is descending upon you? Ah indeed, I have no need to inter- view one with such limited vision and narrow insight--I would consider it a disservice to the readers seeking Truth. If this be your leadership representatives, readers, I have only compassion, or perhaps simple "pity", for you of mankind. Blessings upon you of vision who can understand the circumstances confronting your species and globe. Blessings upon you who can see the dangers to your Constitution and your freedom--Pity upon you ones who dwell in the dark places and insist ALL OTHERS REMAIN IN THE DARK WITH YOU. Salu ** End of article ******************************************************** FILENAME: EEB07091.ZIP Don --- FMail 0.90 @SEEN-BY 104/2 422 428 605 107/816 114/37 95 125/27 154/414 202/502 @SEEN-BY 238/300 260/233 268/102 350/201 363/29 42 81 371/3 1010/0 21 @SEEN-BY 1012/3 @PATH: 363/81 29 268/102 104/422 * Origin: -(=-- - - * Wavelength * - - --=)- (1:363/81.1) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (2452) Wed 5 Aug 92 1:29p By: Don_-_showen@cup.portal.com To: All Re: Re Hatton: Cia Or Et St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @UFGATE newsin 1.27 From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com Date: 5 Aug 92 14:38:26 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Message-ID: <63423@cup.portal.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic Len asks >Does anyone out here have any information regarding George Green? There are >a growing number of people (myself included) who are beginning to feel that >Green is actively working with the CIA to produce disinformation regarding >UFOs and ETs. A good mystery always did stir up my circulation! :^) >Does anyone have any info on this guy? >Thank You >Len No folks, I did not pay Len to ask that! :-). But since he did I feel a necessity to respond to that publicly. I am a champion of channeling and consider Hatton to be the ahole of the universe, not in the least channeling. To repeat what I have said in another post, the Hatton material will cause brain rot. And I mean that in the truest sense of the meaning. In the few paragraphs I have read I have seen numerous lies and deceptions. The material is designed to keep one in their negative ego and in fear and paranoia. George Green is using Billie Meiers pictures of the Beamships and Laserguns from the Pleiades as a front for his phony channeling operation. The channel hooked George Green by sending him a letter saying he was one of 25 protected by commander supreme ahole of the universe, Hatton. There was an entity named Hatton who, years ago, came through a person named Richard Miller who started an organization called Solar Cross. Their information and personalities are entirely different. As an example of lies from the books, I will give you a good one. In the book Stargate Hatton says Samjase and Asket are from the Pleiades. Anyone who has studied the case knows that Samjase was from the Pleiades and that Asket is from the DAL Universe, one parallel to ours. Now come on, if Hatton is some kind of commander, wouldn't one think a commander would know which universe those ladies were flying their beamships from? The Hatton that is coming through American West Publishers is probably the entity of Calvin coming back to preach more hell and damnation. If any of you chose to rot your mind with Cosmic Calvinism go ahead read some Hatton. But please remember Hatton IS NOT CHANNELING!!!!! Channeling brings about a feeling of love and light, inspiration, upliftment, and increased life energy (more living). I recently learned something from a entity I am a new student of, named, Philip. Hanging out in thoughts and emotions of fear and its associates like death or imagined threats to survival cause the creation of lots of imagined death scenes. These activities generate sub personalities, these subpersonalites can become so strong they take over the body and lifetime by inflecting the genetic memory from past lives containing fear, death, etc onto the body. This subpersonality can completely idle the spiritual personality that came here for its specific goals. Also there is another phenomena that occurs. We are overly addicted to death. So the thoughts of fear and death cause psychological deaths to occur to feed the addiction. But here is the important point. Each one of these death thoughts we have causes the soul (life force) to separate more from the body. It is like the subpersonality has taken over and the soul-lifeforce-spirit withdraws because it knows there is not going to be any time or body to fulfill its purposes here. It is truly, literally a lost soul. That is the true sin of American West Publishing. They are not only turning people off to channeling, they are presenting the bleakest of an infinite number of possible futures. Few, if any of Hattons doomsday predictions have come true or ever will. One of their followers showed up at our Family of Light meeting and was selling welding glasses to block out the light because Hatton is telling him he should be prepared for the worst. I found out that what I call light and what others call light is entirely different. Don Showen BTW I printed 12 Meier photos in black and white on one 8x10 sheet. The 12 consist of 2 with Meier holding the Lasergun, 1 of Meier, the beautiful 1 of Samjases beamship, the one with the jet flying by the Beamship, the one with witnesses and a beamship in the same picture. 1 with 3 ships in it, 3 of a ship flying, 1 of the newer class of ship parked in Meiers front yard, 2 of that same ship flying by trees, and 1 of a ship touching a tree, and last a picture of the lady from the DAL universe, Asket. I am willing to share them with anyone who sends a SASE to Pleiadian Group 1030 Corvette Dr. San Jose, Ca. 95129 --- ConfMail V4.00 * Origin: Paranet(sm) - The world's leading UFO Investigative News Network @SEEN-BY 104/2 422 428 605 107/816 30163/100 150 1012/3 @PATH: 30163/150 104/422 (1:30163/150)