Harris: I'm only an investigator of those who claim they had
experiences. My duty is to do a good job and to faithfully report what
witnesses say, because only the correct information should reach people,
with no distortions.
Maurizio Cavallo: I felt obliged to
tell my experience after eleven years of silence to relate what happened
to me and could happen also to other people. Something that brought an
inner, complete transformation in me, in my life and in my family. But
after I regretted doing it because, though I met many open minded
people, beautiful and great personalities who wanted and wish to know
the truth, I found also a lot of wickedness.
I met with
people who were selfishly driven by personal aims and they disgusted me.
I have met also unstable people, really insane people. Two months ago I
hosted here, after many telephone calls, a guy who presented himself as
the chief commander of the extraterrestrial fleet and, to demonstrate he
was a real alien, he showed me what he called a laser beam, but it was
only a chinese pocket torch with some small lights on it. These things
really upset me.
Harris: How do you get rid of those kinds of
Maurizio Cavallo: It was my intention to invite
him for lunch as I usually do with the people I meet for the first time,
to treat them like friends, like people dear to me... but, when I
realized what kind of person he was, despite all my best intentions, I
had to invent an unexpected appointment. I hate to lie. I love to be
frank. Also, if sometimes I sound a little rough, I like to be
outspoken. I can't stand a world built of lies but, in some cases, you
have to protect yourself. That man was a dangerous person.
Harris: There are also people who wish to consider you a guru, how
do you manage them in these situations?
I cause them to dislike me. It means that, if they think I can give
something to them, if they ask me to teach something to them - and I
have always been very clear about it - I tell them that I am not a guru
and I cannot teach them anything apart from my personal experience. If
they will be able to learn something from my experience, I will be
happy, but I cannot teach them anything because I am still learning. And
when I say that they often have a negative reaction because they feel
betrayed. They start to treat me like someone who doesn't want to give
them what they consider a property of their own. From when my experience
started in 1981 I have become a person who can be loved but can be hated
Harris: In 1981 you were married, you had
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, I was married and I had
two children, the girl was seven years old and the boy was
Harris: Did everything happen all of a sudden?
Cavallo: Yes. I had had some experiences like many people. I had
seen strange lights in the sky but that night, the night of the
abduction, it fell upon me all of a sudden. I did not expect anything
like that and from that moment, everything has changed for
Harris: I noticed you used the word "abduction". Do you call it an
abduction or a contact?
Maurizio Cavallo: I call it abduction.
Harris: Because it happened against your will?
Cavallo: Yes, I did not want it, they obliged me. I was at home. The
whole story is in my book, all the dramatic moments I had to live. I was
at home and I felt... I started to feel physically sick, feverish and
suddenly I heard an internal and imperious voice ordering me to go out,
to go back to the hills of Monferrato where we had been the night before
for a walk with some friends of mine. After dinner in a Pizzeria we had
gone for a walk on those hills for ten miles, more or less, from
We had left
our cars and we had started to walk when we saw a globe of light, red
like a fire, which descended behind some trees giving us the impression
it was landing. We were all very excited and went in that direction to
see what was happening. It was deep night and the ground was rocky and
difficult so we gave up and went back home. As soon as I came home I
started to feel sick. I felt warm, I felt cold, I felt feverish. At
first I thought it was caused by poor digestion. I thought I had eaten
something that had made me sick. I could not sleep and I started to hear
that voice compelling me, and ordering me to take my car again and to go
back to the hills.
moment I started a titanic fight, an incredible fight. I tried to wake
up my wife to tell her I was sick and I had to go out, but my wife went
on sleeping as if she was under the effect of some drug. In my book I
talk in detail of a particularly strange experience... It was like my
house was entrapped in something... I don't know how to define it, it
was also like being frozen. I don't know if that is the correct word.. I
went to the bathroom to have a glass of water, the glass slipped from my
hand and fell on the ground but it fell in slow motion, very, very
Harris: Time had stopped?
Maurizio Cavallo: It was a
Saturday night and the street was full of the noise of a holiday night,
but in my house everything was silent. When the glass broke in pieces on
the ground I heard no noise. Everything was crystallized. It was like
time had slowed down. It is obvious it was an abduction because I did
not want to go. The more I resisted that order, the more the pain in my
head increased. I noticed that when I began to take the car and to go to
the hills my pain lowered, but when, on the contrary, I thought I wanted
to stay home, my pain increased, stronger than before. It was a form of
constraint, this is the reason why I say it was an abduction. If they
had asked me to go with them I had answered no.
Harris: At that time it looked [like] a bad experience. And what
now, in 2007?
Maurizio Cavallo: Today not. Also in my book
I say that those who were my controllers, I call them abductors, those
who imprisoned me, were the same ones who gave me my new
Harris: They showed you a new truth.
They showed me that Cosmos is not what we believe, that life is not what
we live, that everything we call reality is a pure illusion. They opened
for me a window on Cosmos, they brought me to the edge of madness and
they destroyed the Maurizio of the past. The old Maurizio existed no
more, they had skinned him, lapidated him but they had permitted to new
Maurizio to look beyond the borders of what we call reality. They gave
me an immense gift, They gave me freedom.
Harris: But you had to pay a high prize...
Cavallo: A very high prize. See, when I understand that these people
come to me waiting for something, treating me like a guru, I always say
that I have no truth to give them. I only have my own truth and it
belongs to me completely. I feel upset when I realize that this truth,
so strong in my mind, can be manipulated ... Not everyone can
Harris: Of course, we are on planet Earth. We are human beings, a
peculiar race. We are growing up but you are trying to bring us from
elementary school straight to secondary school but we cannot jump that
way It is a slow process. It happened to you, they made you
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, but perhaps I had been
trained for it before.
Harris: That's exactly what I wanted to ask you.
Cavallo: Yes, because I realized that nothing happens by chance, my
mother had been abducted too.
Harris: How did you know it?
Maurizio Cavallo: They
showed me some images, something like recorded images. They showed me
images in a sort of monolith, in a ruby-red pyramid used like a screen.
I saw images of a girl walking in a graveyard, at first sight I could
not recognize her and they told me: "It's obvious you can't recognize
her, she is your mother when she was a girl; she knew the secrets of the
stars too." This means that they have programmed us.
Harris: Did your mother talk to you about it? Did she ever ask you
Maurizio Cavallo: My mother died when I was
thirteen. I had a special relationship with her, very intense. We had no
need to talk. She looked at me and I understood, I looked at her and she
understood. I cannot remember any dialogue with my mother but we had a
complete relationship. When she died I missed her very much and my pain
was bearable. I could not feel the intense pain you feel in you mind and
your body when you lose somebody, I was quiet because I knew nine months
before she had to die.
Harris: How did she die?
Maurizio Cavallo: She had had
low blood pressure but the doctor had misunderstood her symptoms for
high blood pressure symptoms and had prescribed some medicine to lower
her blood pressure more. She had taken them faithfully and her heart
gave out so she had to be hospitalized and her condition worsened
entered the hospital, nine months before her death, I knew she was going
to die. I was sure of it and I was waiting for that moment quietly. I
was sure that, in any case, nothing could have parted her from me. At
that time I was thirteen and I believed in God, the Catholic
God and, of course I prayed for my mother. I prayed to God to let
her live and to heal her. When my mother died I became very angry with
God because I had previously believed that God listened to
all our prays. From that moment I said: "You don't exist, you don't
exist because you didn't listen to me."
passed and thanks to the experience I had in 1981 I started to think in
a different way. I understood that a Divine Mind exists but it is
completely different from the image we are used to. A Divine Mind exists
but not all our prayers can be heard because there are programs and our
life and death are only some roots of these programs. With my mother I
have always had a perfect relationship. That night they showed me my
mother when she was a girl.
Harris: Did they ever show your mother alive?
Cavallo: Yes, I met her.
Harris: I know they brought you to Clarion. Did you meet her on the
Earth or on Clarion?
Maurizio Cavallo: I saw her at home.
One night they told me I would be having a pleasant visit. At first I
thought I was dreaming because I was in my bed and I was sleeping but
after I realized I was awake. I saw my mother not with the appearance
that I remembered. She was physically different. I knew she was my
mother but she did not look like her.
Harris: How did she look?
Maurizio Cavallo: She looked
much younger. We did not talk to each other but she made a gesture that
was her typical gesture, a wave of her hand that my mother used only
with me. She smiled at me and that's all.
Harris: Was it like a dream?
Maurizio Cavallo: No, at
first time I thought I was dreaming because I was in my bed, but after I
realized I was not because I left the bed to go towards her but she
moved her hand to stop me, she smiled at me and made that gesture so
typical. When we were babies and went to bed she made that gesture to
say good night. In that moment I felt I had to go back to bed and I had
to sleep again. I am sure it was not a dream.
Harris: Inhabitants of Clarion are made of flesh and blood? Did you
ever meet them in the streets?
Maurizio Cavallo: I have
met them at the supermarket.
Harris: Were they doing the shopping?
Cavallo: No, we had a meeting there ... People don't have to believe
in what I say, they only have to think about what I am relating and ask
themselves if there could be something true in it. If their conscience
gives them the feeling that all this could be real, they could start to
interrogate themselves till the big question: "ARE WE ALONE?" My
photographs are not proof also because I do no spread them. I have
photos of UFO, of aliens. This is a photo of Suell (on right), I talk
about him in my book.
Harris: He could well walk among us!
He walks among us. I met him in a big city I cannot mention. He gave me
a little black card emitting some impulses that told me to do or not to
do certain things. At a certain moment I felt I had to take a train to
go to a town where I had to meet some of them. While I was traveling I
asked myself: "But why do I have to take a train while, in other
occasions, they just abducted me?" Perhaps it was a trial, something I
could not understand. When I arrived to that town I plainly met the same
person I had already met on a magnetic ship, a UFO.
Harris: Which was the place of the appointment?
Cavallo: I knew I had to go to a bar and wait for them. Hours did
pass. Time was passing by, nobody was arriving and I begun to be
anxious. I begun to think I had invented all that thing...after a long,
long time, Suell arrived, happy as a child, asking me: "Hello, were you
waiting for a long time?" Everything is in my book.
Harris: Is he normal? Did he speak in a normal
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, he has a house and works on
Harris: How can you recognize them?
You “can” recognize them.
Harris: You can recognize them!
Maurizio Cavallo: He
asked me if I had noticed something strange in the girl working at the
supermarket cashier's desk. I had noticed nothing unusual but soon I
thought a little and said: Yes, she had something strange! A strange
earring looking like a world into another world. When I had seen her she
had not caught my attention; but, after they asked me, I remembered her.
Some of them work and live here on Earth.
Maurizio Cavallo: Because they must help
us a little in our evolution, they don't have to condition us, they only
must have an influence.
Harris: Do they have a completely alien DNA or half alien and half
Maurizio Cavallo: Some of them are totally alien
and came here when they were already adults. They apparently are thirty
or forty years old. They just arrive so they don't have problems to get
documents ... and their DNA is completely alien, if we want to define
them. Then we have those who are born here; they have an alien DNA but
take a human body with a human DNA, so we can call these ones
Harris: Do you think that the Government knows about
Maurizio Cavallo: Not all the men in the Government,
only a few.
Harris: The women look like movie stars.
Cavallo: They are gorgeous. You must note one thing. These are
Polaroid photos made without developing process and there is always an
abnormal light absorption because they absorb atomic light. During one
of my last contacts, in a base under the sea near Genova ... (Cavallo
shows a photograph, N.d.R.) ... This is a photo where you can see those
who in the Bible were called "Cherubs", they are astral
Harris: You are incredible! You succeed in making these photos
Maurizio Cavallo: Not at all ... Look at this photo,
you need much light ... there is a spaceship and you can see some
figures. One of these figures is a Grey, one of the tall ones, at
least they call them so. This is another Grey but of hybrid race, half
human and half alien.
Harris: Where did you take this photo?
Cavallo: In the base.
Harris: How did they bring you?
Physically, last year.
Harris: How did it happen?
Maurizio Cavallo: By now
there is a symbiosis. I start feeling very nervous and troubled, I am
very anxious and let my intuition to drive me. When these feelings are
very strong I go to certain places. When I arrive in one of these places
I meet a physical being part of the alien world who drives me to the
Harris: How did they bring you to that base?
Cavallo: In a very normal boat. We left the harbor, we went to a
certain point in the sea and then the water around started to whirl. I
was scared, of course, because it looked like a hurricane, then we and
our boat started to go down. While I was going down, all around me I
could see a crystal wall, water was liquid no more, it was solid. Water
walls were solid like a tunnel and we went down till a point where those
walls opened like rays. We were in the middle of a wheel whose rays were
the corridors of the base they have under the sea.
Harris: Which is their race?
Maurizio Cavallo: They
are Clarions working together with another race.
Harris: I can imagine that you are not a tourist for them, they have
an agenda . They want you to disclose in a soft way such a complex
scenario and to disclose this unbelievable reality?
Cavallo: Very probable, but perhaps the primary fact is they are
instructing me. This is what I think, but I can also be wrong. They are
instructing me so everything I see, everything I live and everything
that will bring in a soft way this reality to other people, is mainly
directed to my self. You see, Paola, we think we can choose and it's
terrible when we understand that all we have done was not our choice.
If I could go
back to my past I could not have lived in a different way. I have always
had different hobbies. I did not like sports like football, I liked to
go fishing, I liked my work and my family. I've always believed, since
my childhood, that the other worlds were inhabited. I have always
believed that there are other intelligences on other planets ... anyway
I led a normal life until I was hurled into this unbelievable new
reality.... By the way, they walk in a strange way, they glide ... It's
an extraordinary effect.
Harris: Do they walk in this strange way also on the
Maurizio Cavallo: No, on the road they look like
normal people. But you can recognize them from some signs: they are very
kind, they radiate a healing energy also when they are not speaking.
When they talk their voice may sound a little metallic and low.
Sometimes it happens because there is a sort of simultaneous interface
from their language to ours, but perhaps their vocal chords give this
lower tone to their voices. They have big ears and strange, penetrating
eyes, very penetrating. But more than all you can feel this energy, this
kindness, their energy. They emanate an energy so strong you can feel
Harris: In my second book I wrote a lot on how we must act not to be
scared from alien races, first of all we must accept all the differences
existing between races here on Earth. You have been very lucky. This
happened to you in 1981. Now, let's try to understand, has this been
only a contact or have you got some prophecy about our future? Can we
give a hope to people?
Maurizio Cavallo: Yes, the only
hope is that our conscience, human conscience must reach another level,
a higher level.
Harris: We don't have much
Maurizio Cavallo: We have no more time
and so our duty is enormous. We must achieve a dynamic change. It is
more a dynamic change than that simply of consciousness. And there is
time to change our dynamism because they are two different things.
Consciousness needs a very long time of assimilation. Everything that
happened to me belongs to a program which started a long, long time ago.
When they showed me images of a girl I could not recognize because I was
not yet born and I recognized she was my mother, they said she too had
been touched from the Lords of the stars, and I started to understand
that everything was part of a program.
Many of us on
this planet are unconscious parts of this program, also people who say
they never saw anything. We only see a mechanical reality but I can see
a magical reality. I don't use the word "magic" in a negative sense
because our universe is, in effect, a magical creation and all the
dimensions and the same creation that we think have physical parameters,
don't have any.
illusion and is only the crystallization of our thought. We only see
what we learned to believe is reality. When the humankind will be able
to look through this other window and will look at reality with new
eyes, perceiving the real universe we live in, we will go insane or
we will evolve. There are no alternatives.
Harris: Perhaps the two things together...
Cavallo: I have passed the two of them. I don't think I'm a
superior man but I have seen things that nobody else has seen. These
things taught me to be more humble and every time I think about what
happened to me and what could still happen I feel so little and I ask
myself: "Why me?"