"...Captain Ardanza beheld a shining object in the sea no more
than about 50 feet away on the starboard side. It was cigar-shaped
and he estimated its length at about 105-110 feet. It had a powerful
blue and white glow, made no noise whatsoever, and left no wake in
the water. There was no sign of any periscope, or railing, or tower,
or superstructure... no control surfaces or protruding parts... [it]
paced [the ship] for 15 minutes... [estimated speed] up to 25 knots.
[It] suddenly dived and passed right under the [ship] and vanished
rapidly in the depths at great speed. As it went, it glowed brightly
below the water... The possibility that the object seen was a whale
or a conventional type of submarine is ruled out... The case has
been classified by the Argentine maritime authorities as an
"Unidentified Submarine Object"."[footnote
Artist's conception from Phenomenes Spatiaux,
created by Joel Mesnard, Sept 1968
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 15 (March 1968) p. 30
In the " Vanguardia ", from Barcelona, dated 1st Oct. 1967,
appeared an information sent to us by Mr. Joan Crexells, whom we
thank. This the translation:
"Seagoing saucer " To the comments and guesses which are made
here about the real existence of the flying saucers is added now a
serious and trustworthy testimony, the one from Julian Ardanza,
captain of the Argentinian merchant ship "Naviero". Upon his arrival
in Buenos Aires, he fully confirmed what he already said in his
radio message sent from the sea: "At the level of Brazil, he was
surprised by a strange object which emitted a strong bluish glow and
sailed parallel to his ship during 18 minutes. At one point, the
object dived and went under the ship to go back to the surface on
the other side." It was shaped like a cigar. It was like a submarine
but without conning tower or any protruding part on its surface. It
was also observed by first officer Julio Montoya and a few sailors,
which created the ensuing alert. The encounter happened at the level
of the gulf of Santa Catarina, facing the brazilian coast. The
captain denied it was a submarine. And even less a whale. At a speed
of 25 knots the object went away leaving behind it an intense light.
"Upon his arrival, captain Ardanza was besieged by journalists and
his testimony has enriched the already copious chronicle of similar
events happening in Argentina the last days."
< Comments by Rene Fouere removed >
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 16 ( June 1968 ) p. 13-14
From diving to "sinking", by Rene Fouere
In our last issue, we made a mistake regarding the diving
"saucer". Being too used to call "saucer" a mostly flying vehicle,
while reading the text, quite short, of "La Vanguardia" about the
strange object which sailed parallel to the "Naviero", we
interpreted "sailed" as flying. We even, in our comments, presented
some considerations based upon this interpretation about which,
reading in the FSR March-April 1968 p. 22 the article by Mr. Oscar
Galindez, we found out that it was wrong. At least apparently as if,
one might think, the diving "saucer" was of extra-terrestrial
origin, it had to be in the air before going on the water surface or
in the water. Nevertheless Captain Ardanza and the men from his crew
saw it only on the sea or under the sea.
Mr Galindez's article brings us interesting precisions [precise
information? Ed.] and, first, gives us the time of the sighting (
18.15 local time which is 22.15 universal time ) and the coordinates
of the place: L: 28° 48' S and G: 46° 44' W, these coordinates
defining a point located approximately 220 km east of the cape Santa
Marta Grande and where the depths are more than a thousand meters.
This article tells us also that the strange " submarine " was seen
very close, at a distance of about 15 meters and had a length of
about 30 meters. It had no periscope, no conning tower, no guard
rail, no superstructures. That is to say no horizontal rudder, no
vertical rudder, no protruding parts. It was noiseless. It is not
said that it went under the " Naviero " to reappear on the other
side but that, suddenly, it dived right under the ship, at high
speed, towards the depths, to disappear quickly and that while it
was going down it could still be seen under the water, brightly
illuminated. It didn't leave behind any wake (our emphasis).
We found too, about this same incident, a few more complementary
details in a document kindly sent to us by our sevillan
correspondent Mr. Ignacio Darnaude. This document is a photocopy of
an article published in the Buenos Aires newspaper "La Voz del
Interior" dated 3 August 1967. This article precises [states? Ed.]
that the night was dark and the sea phosphorescent. This last point
doesn't surprise us as the sighting happened in the open sea off the
Cape Santa Marta Grande where we ourselves observed, each time we
were there, waters with an intense, homogeneous and fairylike
phosphorescence. It is said that the object was 4 to 5 meters wide
and was itself showing a very strong phosphorescence but its color,
an azure white ('blanc azure': a very light bluish white - JLR),
contrasted strongly with the Nile green color, which is light green,
of the sea.
According to "La Voz del Interior", this phosphorescent object
was on the starboard side 9 meters ahead of the forecastle and,
first, sailed parallel to the "Naviero" at a depht of 15 to 20
meters - which is corresponding quite well, it seems, with the
distance given by Mr Galindez in his article. According to Captain
Ardanza, the object didn't follow a natural course but "sailed", in
the voluntary meaning of the word (<< para mi navegaba no se
desplazaba >>). After a while, the object speeded [sped, Ed.]
up and, starting a turn toward the port side, went under the hull of
the ship, to reappear on the starboard side at the level of the No.
2 hold and disappeared going approximately to 145° ( S 35 E ? ).
It will be noted that it [was? was not? Ed.] detected by the
radar and never came to the surface during the sighting. Even it is
not clearly said, it seems the strong light emited by this singular
"submarine" was not produced by one or several discreet and more or
less localised sources, by lights or searchlights located on some
points of its hull but by the entire surface of the hull.
Furthermore the relation of the incident as writen on the logbook of
the "Naviero" specifies that << the body showed a quite clear
outline ( " silueta " ) >> ( our emphasis ) and, upon his
arrival in Buenos Aires, Captain Ardanza declared that in his
telegram sent from the high sea to the Argentinian National Sea
Prefecture, he should not have mentioned an << illuminated
>> ( << iluminado >> ) object but a <<
luminous >> ( << luminoso >> ) object. We must add
that, the << submarine >> sailing at 15 or 20 meters
depth, if it had not been entirely luminous, it would have been
difficult to see its outline, [e]specially through this kind of
phosphorescent sea found off the Cape Santa Marta Grande, and which
is familiar to us. Usually very weak, the phosphorescence of the sea
becomes intense only with a superficial movement exciting the
innumerable animalcules responsible for it and one knows that at 15
or 20 meters deep there is practically nothing left of the surface
movement. It is thus mainly the surface which is lighted and, in our
case, the veil of light created could only hamper the sighting of a
dark object below. If our interpretation is correct and if the light
- which must have been diffused [diffuse? Ed.] as seems to be
indicated by the term << phosphorescence >> - was coming
from the entire surface of the object, one cannot see how a <<
submarine >> surrounded by this strange light could have come
from any terrrestrial shipyard. Furthermore it had no upper works,
no helms [rudders? Ed.] and even nowhere it is said that a propeller
was observed !
Mr Raymond Lucas, one of our vice-presidents (of the GEPA - JLR),
told us that a sperm whale might have the same approximate
dimensions than this object, but how can we imagine a sperm whale
doing [these] kind of moves around a ship at night? Furthermore will
remain the problem of the light, light which cannot even be
attributed to animalcules being in the depths and whose
luminescence, excited by the movement of the object, would have
created around its hull a sheath of light as the color, azure white,
of the light emitted by the object contrasted with the light,
greenish, produced by these animalcules.
Still according to "La Voz del Interior", Captain Ardanza
affirmed again that the object didn't leave a wake ( <<
reiterando que estela non dejaba >> ), which confirms the
indication already given in Mr Galindez's article. But how to
understand exactly this indication? According to Mr Lucas, it is not
sure that an object with this volume, sailing at that speed ( 25
knots or approximately 46 km/h ) and that depth would leave a wake
at the surface. However it should have left one at its own level -
and which could have been visible either because caught in the rays
of light coming from the object or even because of the luminescence
created in the depth by its eddy (or wash ? - JLR). In any case, as
long as Captain Ardanza said again and again that the object didn't
leave any wake, we can assume that with his experience as a sailor
he was expecting one and was surprised, even struck, not to find
one. It is not forbidden to assume too that, in his mind, this
absence of wake could also mean an absence of propeller as a
propeller always creates whirls. We must emphasize that the
seriousness and objectivity of the sighting is comforted [supported?
Ed.] by the unchallengeable fact the captain of the " Naviero " was
enough worried by this unforeseeable escort under water to not
hesitate to send immediately a radio telegram to the Argentinian
National Sea Prefecture. His [worry] was even more understandable as
his ship, travelling at a cruise speed of 17 knots, transported
< Second case and comment removed>
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 23 ( March 1970 ) p. 18
About the " Naviero ", our investigation [continues]. We
mentionned the " Naviero " incident in our issue no. 15 p. 30. We
spoke about it again in our last issue p. 13 and noticed that the
stories reported by the different sources of information presented
some significant and quite embarassing differences. Willing to know
more, we kept our investigation running by writing to our
Argentinian collaborators who answered us with a kindness we cannot
thank enough. Mr Gainza Paz has given us all the necessary
informations to write directly to Captain Ardanza himself. But if
Captain Ardanza answers us, it will not be soon as he was near the
Ghana coast when Mr Gainza Paz gave us the exact address of the
shipping company employing him.
Mr Oscar Galindez took the time to answer very promptly and in
detail to the questions we asked him. Thus we can give to our
readers, thanks to him, the following indications of which they will
appreciate the importance:
1/ The object was detected on the radar.
2/ When it was seen the first time, it was resting on the sea:
captain Ardanza mentioned an object "half submerged".
3/ The object was on the starboard side, 15 meters ahead of the
forecastle and sailed parallel to the "Naviero" for 15 minutes.
4/ It was without portholes, propellers, fins or any protruding
5/ It didn't leave any visible wake on the surface.
6/ It was luminous and the intensity of the light it emited was
the same everywhere.
7/ It was shaped like a "havana" cigar and a length of
approximately 30 meters.
8/ It submerged and went under the "Naviero" but didn't emerge on
the other side of the ship. Captain Ardanza and first officer Julio
Montoya were both witnesses of the phenomenon. They didn't call the
other sailors - who were having supper - because they thought the
sailors could panic, the "Naviero" transporting explosives.
9/ The sea was phosphorescent and the phenomenon was completely
noiseless. Mr Galindez added he thought he could get from Mr Alberto
Ramos, the radio [officer] of the "Naviero", a drawing of the
object, drawing he has not received yet. While waiting, he tried to
do for us, according to all the informations he received, an
approximate drawing of the observed object. We reproduce this
< Commentaries removed >
The following from Jean-Luc Rivera who kindly provided all of
the Phenomena Spatieux articles above...
I hope my translation is not too bad; I didn't have time to
smooth it and I am not familiar with sailing and nautical terms. I
have found in an article entitled "Le mystere marin des UFOs" ( "The
marine mystery of UFOs" ) by Oscar A. Galindez, a passage devoted to
the "Naviero" incident with some very important new details.
Phenomenes Spatiaux no. 23 ( March 1970 ) p. 18
<<.... In December 1969, the C.A.D.I.U. ( Centro Argentino
de Investigaciones Ufologicas ) was granted a meeting with the
officer Jorge Montoya who, amongst the crew members of the
Argentinian cargo ship "Naviero", was the first to see the tubular
phenomenon of the Gulf of Santa Catarina, incident which happened on
30 July 1967 [Note conflict with date from Sanderson, above, Ed.],
in front of the Brazilian coast, at nightfall. The present magazine
has dealt several times with this incident so it doesn't seem useful
to report the main story. But faced [with] the declarations of
Officer Montoya, it is necesssary to bring a few complementary
details. The witness told us that, while he was going to the stem of
the ship being on the starboard side, he noticed, not deeply, some
kind luminous projection of a great length. [At] first it didn't
seem important as he assumed it was the reflection in the water from
the lights going through the row of portholes of the "Naviero". But
immediately he changed his opinion because this luminosity was near
the stem where there were no portholes. Observing closely he noticed
it was some kind of << tube >>, 30 meters long and 1
meter to 1m 50 in diameter, moving at the same speed [as] the
"Naviero" ( approximately 17 knots ) and at about 3 to 5 meters deep
(this detail is important because it corrects the version given by
the newspapers speaking of a << half submerged >> object
with part of the hull at water level). In spite of it, the outline
of the phenomenon was sharp and uniform. It didn't look like any
whale or any animal. On all its length it was the same diameter, it
was of the same size. Its brightness of light was a yellowish white
(and not bluish as said in the papers) and didn't seem to come from
a precise spot as the entire surface of the object was fluorescent.
The officer didn't hear any engine noise and didn't notice any whirl
created by the object moving. For 15 minutes the object went along
with the "Naviero" being only 15 meters away from the ship. This is
why Captain Julian Lucas Ardanza - thinking about the chances of
running into it - gave orders to the helmsman to change course very
gradually if he was given such order. But it was not necessary. The
<< object >> turned 90°, went under the ship and gained
quickly some depth at a speed of 25 knots. When it turned there was
no deformation of its linear structure which ruled out even more the
possibility of some kind of unknown animal. First Officer Montoya
promised us to give us a copy of the logbook on which were noted the
other significant details of the phenomenon....>>
I searched Phenomenes Spatiaux until the end of 1972 without
finding any more news about the " Naviero ". (JLR)
FSR Vol 14 No 2 March / April 1968 p 22
CREW OF ARGENTINE SHIP SEE SUBMARINE UFO by Oscar A. Galindez
Senor Galindez has been correspondent of Flying
Saucer Review in Argentina since 1962.
A TOPIC which seems to be connected with the UFO problem is that
of the mysterious submarine bodies which have been observed in the
seas of our world. Many of these cases appear in fact to be part of
the astonishing enigma of the Unidentified Flying Objects.
Not long ago consideration was being given by FLYING SAUCER
REVIEW to these marine aspects of the phenomenon,* and some authors
have suggested the possibility of underwater UFO bases in areas
where these strange happenings have been recorded.
I would like to relate a recent occurrence which is quite
sensational in comparison with most of those reported so far. My
sources are press reports which appeared in the Argentine newspapers
La Razon Cordoba and Los Principios.
On July 30, 1967, the Argentine steamer Naviero, belonging to the
Argentine Shipping Lines Company, was some 120 miles off the coast
of Brazil, opposite Cape Santa Marta Grande (Lat. 28 48 S., Long. 46
43 W.) in the State of Santa Catarina, when an elongated submarine
craft was sighted. The time was about 6.15 p.m. Argentine time
(10.15 p.m. G.M.T.), and the Naviero was running at 17 knots.
The officers and crew were at their evening meal at the time. The
Master, Captain Julian Lucas Ardanza, received a call on the
intercom system from one of his officers, Jorge Montoya, to the
effect that there was something strange near the ship.
Arriving at once on deck, Captain Ardanza beheld a shining object
in the sea no more than about 50ft. away on the starboard side. It
was cigar-shaped and he estimated its length at about 105 to 110ft.
It had a powerful blue and white glow, made no noise whatsoever and
left no wake in the water. There was no sign of any periscope or
railing or tower or superstructure, in other words no external
control surfaces or protruding parts.
The mystery craft paced the Naviero for 15 minutes. Captain
Ardanza estimated its speed at 25 knots, as against the 17 of his
own vessel (an old Liberty-type ship built in the U.S.A.).
The next development however was disconcerting to say the least.
The mystery craft suddenly dived and passed right under the Naviero
and vanished rapidly in the depths at great speed. As it went it
glowed brightly beneath the water.
The Naviero was carrying explosives and gunpowder, and in order
to stave off any panic among the crew should they get the idea into
their heads that they
were being "pursued" because of this type of cargo, Captain
Ardanza and his officers judged it prudent to assemble the crew and
tell them what had been seen.
In the subsequent interviews with reporters from the Argentine
press, the Captain said that during his twenty years at sea he had
never seen anything like that before. Chief Officer Carlos Lasca
described the object as "a submergible UFO with its own
The possibility that the object seen was a whale or a
conventional type of submarine is ruled out. The witnesses were firm
in their insistence that the "luminous cigar" looked totally
different from a submarine or a whale and could not possibly have
been either of these things.
The case has been classified by the Argentine maritime
authorities as an "unidentified submarine object".
Gordon Creighton, Argentina 1962 (Pedro Atilli's experience) and
item about Soviet submarines, FSR, July/August 1964, pp. I I and
Antonio Ribera, UFOs and the Sea, FSR, November/December 1964, P.
W. S. Robertson, UFOs and the Scottish Seas, FSR, May/June 1965,
Antonio Ribera, More About UFOs and the Sea, FSR, November/
December 1965. p. 17.
H. J. Hinfelaar, Submarine Craft in Australasian Waters, FSR,
July/ August 1966, p. 28.